How can the average velocity in laminar fully developed pipe flow be calculated?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the average velocity in laminar fully developed pipe flow, specifically addressing the relationship between average velocity and maximum velocity in this context. Participants explore the mathematical derivation and the characteristics of the velocity profile.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about deriving the average velocity formula V = 0.5u(max) for laminar flow.
  • Another participant describes the velocity profile for fully developed laminar flow as parabolic, with maximum velocity at the center and zero at the pipe walls, represented by the equation u(r) = Umax*(1 - r²/R²).
  • A participant explains the process of calculating average velocity by integrating the velocity profile over a differential area and dividing by the total area, leading to the conclusion that the average velocity is half of the maximum velocity.
  • There is a request for clarification on how to derive the equation for the velocity profile, with a mention of solving the Navier-Stokes equations under certain conditions.
  • One participant questions the necessity of using Navier-Stokes equations to derive the parabolic velocity profile, suggesting that the profile can be derived directly from its mathematical properties.
  • A suggestion is made to integrate the velocity profile and divide by the length of the integration to find the average velocity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the parabolic nature of the velocity profile in laminar flow and the relationship between average and maximum velocity. However, there is disagreement regarding the necessity of using Navier-Stokes equations for deriving the velocity profile, with some participants advocating for a purely mathematical approach.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the need for specific boundary conditions and simplifications when discussing the Navier-Stokes equations, indicating that assumptions about flow characteristics may affect the derivation process.

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This question has been bugging for a while now. I have been trying to solve it, but not getting anywhere. Hopefully, you guys can be of some help. Here's the question:

For laminar fully developed pipe flow, show the average velocity V = 0.5u(max).

Any help will be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
 
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What does the velocity profile for fully developed laminar flow look like?
 
laminar flow in a pipe will get its maximum velocity in the very center of the pipe. the profile is a parabola. U function of the radial position U=U(r); Radius = R; U(0)=Umax and U(R)=0

u(r)=Umax*(1-r**2/R**2)

Umoy is indeed equal two the half of Umax.

do you need more info about how to get there?
 
Here it is!

We wand to find average velocity. Now let's start from basics:- Average velocity means average velocity of all the particles in a unit cross-section of the tube. So consider a ring of radius r having a differential are equal to 2*Pi*r*dr. So multiplying this by velocity gives the sum of velocity of all the particles in that differential tube. So if we integrate from 0 to R, we get total velocity of all the particles. and hence dividing the expression by area gives us the average velocity which comes out top be equalt to 0.5 times the Vmax!

Regards,
Vishal
 
Hello,

Could you please tell me how to get to the equation for a pipe flow.

u(r)=Umax*(1-r**2/R**2)

Thank you so much in advance.



zytrahus said:
laminar flow in a pipe will get its maximum velocity in the very center of the pipe. the profile is a parabola. U function of the radial position U=U(r); Radius = R; U(0)=Umax and U(R)=0

u(r)=Umax*(1-r**2/R**2)

Umoy is indeed equal two the half of Umax.

do you need more info about how to get there?
 
iamazad24 said:
Hello,

Could you please tell me how to get to the equation for a pipe flow.

u(r)=Umax*(1-r**2/R**2)

Thank you so much in advance.

you "get it" by solving the Navier-Stokes equations with the appropriate boundary conditions and simplifications (i.e. incompressible, v . ∇ρ ≈ 0 )
 
This is a chicken/egg question: parabolic or navier-stokes?

I "read/know" that the velocity profile for laminar flow is parabolic with v=vmax as maximum and v=0 on the edges let us say D=2d. Mathematically I immediately say: the equation of such a parabola is v=vmax•(1-x²/d²) for xε[-d,d]. (This is just the equation of a parabola with max=vmax and roots x=-d and x=d.) No Navier-Stokes required.

If I have a circular pipe, I change x=r, d=R (radius of pipe) and use polar integration to get
Q=vmax•∫∫(1-r²/R²)rdrdθ on intervals rε[0,R] and θε[0,2π] to get Q=(vmax/2)•πR².

Then vavg=Q/A=(vmax/2)•πR²/πR²=vmax/2 (and derive the formula asked at beginning).

So - if I know laminar flow has a parabolic velocity profile, why use NS to find the equation with vmax? I can see using NS to find vmax, but not to get the equation with vmax in it.

BTW: Anybody know of a link with (solved) laminar flow problems for rectangular ducts with a given vmax? Thanks!
 
Integrate the velocity profile then divide by the length of the integration.
 

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