How can the chain rule be applied to solve this differential equation?

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The discussion revolves around the application of the chain rule in the context of solving a differential equation. The equation presented is y + 4y^4 = (y^3 + 3x)y', which is expressed in differential form with M(x,y) and N(x,y) defined. Participants are exploring the conditions under which the equation becomes an exact differential and the implications of integrating it.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Some participants question the validity of dividing the differential equation by y^4 to achieve an exact differential. Others discuss the process of finding a function F(x,y) that satisfies the conditions of the exact differential equation and the implications of partial derivatives in this context.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the integration process and the role of partial derivatives. There is a recognition of the need for clarification on the application of the chain rule and its relevance to the problem at hand. Some guidance has been offered regarding the integration of the components of the differential equation.

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There appears to be some confusion regarding the assumptions made in the problem setup, particularly concerning the integration factor and the interpretation of the exact differential. Participants are also reflecting on their understanding of the underlying concepts, such as the chain rule and partial derivatives.

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Homework Statement



The differential equation y + 4y^4 = (y^3 + 3x)y' can be written in differential form:

M(x,y)dx + N(x,y)dy = 0

where

M(x,y)= y+4y^4 , and N(x,y)= -y^3-3x

The term (M(x,y)dx + N(x,y) dy) becomes an exact differential if the left hand side above is divided by y^4. Integrating that new equation, the solution of the differential equation is "answer goes here" = C


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The Attempt at a Solution



Am I suppose to do this and integrate?

(y+4y^4-y^3-3x)/y^4 = 0

or am I off the ball completely?

Thanks!
 
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I do not think y4 is an integrating factor but I did not check if ∂M/∂y=∂N/∂x

But if f(x,y) is the solution to the exact DE, then

∂f/∂x=M and ∂f/∂y=N

So you can find f(x,y) from either and then you use the other one to get the function in either y or x.

e.g. ∂f/∂x=3x2, then f(x,y)=x3+h(y), in which I would then put ∂f/∂y=N=h'(y) and integrate and solve for 'y'.
 
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Homework Statement



The differential equation y + 4y^4 = (y^3 + 3x)y' can be written in differential form:

M(x,y)dx + N(x,y)dy = 0

where

M(x,y)= y+4y^4 , and N(x,y)= -y^3-3x

The term (M(x,y)dx + N(x,y) dy) becomes an exact differential if the left hand side above is divided by y^4. Integrating that new equation, the solution of the differential equation is "answer goes here" = C


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



Am I suppose to do this and integrate?

(y+4y^4-y^3-3x)/y^4 = 0

or am I off the ball completely?

Thanks!
No, you cannot just combine two functions like that. You are saying that
[tex]\frac{y+ 4y^4}{y^4}dx- \frac{y^3+ 3x}{y^4}dy= (y^{-3}+ 4)dy- (y^{-1}- 3xy^{-4})dy[/tex]
is an exact differential. That means that there must exist some function F(x, y) such that
[tex]dF= \frac{\partial F}{\partial x}dx+ \frac{\partial F}{\partial y}dy= (y^{-3}+ 4)dy- (y^{-1}- 3xy^{-4})dy[/tex]

That means you need to solve
[tex]\frac{\partial F}{\partial x}= \frac{y+ 4y^4}{y^4}= y^{-3}+ 4[/tex]
and
[tex]\frac{\partial F}{\partial y}= \frac{-y^3- 3x}{y^4}= -y^{-1}- 3xy^{-4}[/tex]

The first is easy. Integrating with respect to x (treating y as a constant)
[tex]F(x,y)= (y^{-3}+ 4)x+ f(y)= xy^{-3}+ 4x+ f(y)[/tex]
where f can be any function of y (the derivative of any function of y with respect to x is 0).

Now differentiate that with respect to y:
[tex]\frac{\partial F}{\partial y}= -3xy^{-4}+ f'(y)[/tex]
and that must be equal to
[tex]-y^{-1}- 3xy^{-4}[/tex]

Set them equal, solve for f' and then f.
 
HallsofIvy said:
No, you cannot just combine two functions like that. You are saying that
[tex]\frac{y+ 4y^4}{y^4}dx- \frac{y^3+ 3x}{y^4}dy= (y^{-3}+ 4)dy- (y^{-1}- 3xy^{-4})dy[/tex]
is an exact differential. That means that there must exist some function F(x, y) such that
[tex]dF= \frac{\partial F}{\partial x}dx+ \frac{\partial F}{\partial y}dy= (y^{-3}+ 4)dy- (y^{-1}- 3xy^{-4})dy[/tex]

That means you need to solve
[tex]\frac{\partial F}{\partial x}= \frac{y+ 4y^4}{y^4}= y^{-3}+ 4[/tex]
and
[tex]\frac{\partial F}{\partial y}= \frac{-y^3- 3x}{y^4}= -y^{-1}- 3xy^{-4}[/tex]

The first is easy. Integrating with respect to x (treating y as a constant)
[tex]F(x,y)= (y^{-3}+ 4)x+ f(y)= xy^{-3}+ 4x+ f(y)[/tex]
where f can be any function of y (the derivative of any function of y with respect to x is 0).

Now differentiate that with respect to y:
[tex]\frac{\partial F}{\partial y}= -3xy^{-4}+ f'(y)[/tex]
and that must be equal to
[tex]-y^{-1}- 3xy^{-4}[/tex]

Set them equal, solve for f' and then f.

f'(y) = -y^-1 , f(y) = -ln(y) so F(x,y) = xy^-3+4x-ln(y)

While I was able to figure out what the problem was asking thanks to your help, I feel like I still don't truly understand the question it is asking. Like where did those partial derivatives come from?.. I don't know maybe its just me.
 
One thing I am sure you learned in Calculus is the "chain rule" for functions of more than one variable. If F is a function of x and y, and x and y are both functions of t, then
[tex]\frac{dF}{dt}= \frac{\partial F}{\partial x}\frac{dx}{dt}+ \frac{\partial F}{\partial y}\frac{dy}{dt}[/tex]

In "differential form",
[tex]dF= \frac{\partial F}{\partial x}dx+ \frac{\partial F}{\partial y}dy[/tex]

Saying that dF= 0 means that dF/dt= 0 for any parameter t and so F is a constant.
 

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