How can the differential equation for a sphere in a room be solved?

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation related to the temperature of a sphere in a room illuminated by a constant intensity. The participants explore various methods for solving the equation, which involves heat transfer and temperature change over time.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the differential equation in the form of \(\frac{dT(t)}{dt} = a - bT^4(t)\) and expresses difficulty in finding a solution.
  • Another participant suggests separating variables and using partial fraction decomposition as a potential method for solving the equation.
  • A link to an integral resource is provided, which may assist in solving the integral involved in the equation.
  • Further mathematical manipulations are proposed, including substitutions and decompositions of the integrand to facilitate integration.
  • One participant concludes that while it may be possible to express \(t\) as a function of \(T(t)\), finding \(T(t)\) as a function of \(t\) may not be feasible.
  • Another participant humorously suggests defining a new special function to encapsulate the solution process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on a definitive method to solve the differential equation, and multiple approaches are being discussed without agreement on their effectiveness.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the integration steps and the complexity of the resulting expressions. There are also discussions about the potential ugliness of the final form of the solution when reverting to original parameters.

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Hey guys,

I have a smallish problem with a differential equation.

Set up:
There is a sphere in a room; and it's being illuminated with intensity I from one side.
The room temperature (T_{environment}) is set to be constant.

[ latex ]
\Delta Q = Q_{in} - Q_{out}\\
= I\Delta t A - P_{out}\Delta t + P_{in}\Delta t\\
= I\Delta t A - \sigma A T^{4} \Delta t + \sigma A T^{4}_{environment} \Delta t\\
\Delta Q = cm\Delta T\\
\frac{\Delta T}{\Delta t} = I\Delta t \pi r^2 - \sigma 4 \pi r^2 T^{4} \Delta t + \sigma 4 \pi r^2 T^{4}_{environment} \Delta t
[ /latex ]

Hence we have a differential equation in the form of

!
[ latex ]
\frac{dT(t)}{dt} = a - b*T^4(t)
[ /latex ]
!

I have tried different methods... But none of them worked... (And wolframalpha can only solve for t :-( )

Thanks for your consideration ;-)
atta_bo-y
 
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Well, first don't put the spaces in the <latex> bracket. Then have you tried to separate variables and then a partial fraction decomposition ?>
 
[itex]\frac{dT(t)}{dt} = a - b*T^4(t)[/itex]

Any tips for how to get T(t)??

[itex] t+c &= \frac{-\log(bT(t)- a) + \log(a + bT(t)) + 2\arctan\left(\frac{bT(t)}{a}\right)}{4a^3b}[/itex]
[itex] (t+c)4a^3b &= \log\left(\frac{a+bT(t)}{-a + bT(t)}\right) + 2\arctan\left(\frac{bT(t)}{a}\right)[/itex]
[itex] (t+c)2a^3b = \arctan\left(\tan\left(\frac{1}{2}\log\left(\frac{a+bT(t)}{-a + bT(t)}\right)\right)\right) + \arctan\left(\frac{bT(t)}{a}\right)[/itex]
[itex] (t+c)2a^3b = \arctan\left(\frac{\tan\left(\frac{1}{2}\log\left(\frac{a+bT(t)}{-a + bT(t)}\right)\right) + \frac{bT(t)}{a}}{1-\tan\left(\frac{1}{2}\log\left(\frac{a+bT(t)}{-a + bT(t)}\right)\right)\frac{bT(t)}{a}}\right)[/itex]

furthermore I can set

[itex] \frac{a+bT(t)}{-a+bT(t)} = 1 + \frac{2a}{bT(t) - a}[/itex]

Now this looks like a sisyphean direction to me... Please correct me if I'm wrong...

Thanks
 
Usually at this point you define a new special function named after yourself and put a box around it. :smile:
 
Easy ;)

[tex]T(t)=\left(\frac{a}{b}\right)^{\frac{1}{4}}[/tex]
 
Well... if the differential equation youre trying to solve is:

[tex]\frac{dT(t)}{dt}=a-bT^4[/tex]

Then, there you go: first, separate the variables:

[tex]\frac{dT}{a-bT^4}=dt[/tex]

and integrate each side:

[tex]\int \frac{1}{a-bT^4}dT=t+C[/tex]
(Equation 1)

The T integral is somewhat lenghty to calculate. For making the calculations a bit better-looking, write:

[tex]a=e^4[/tex] and [tex]b=f^4[/tex].

Then decompose the integrand as:

[tex]\frac{1}{a-bT^4} = \frac{1}{e^4-f^4 T^4} = \frac{1}{2e^2} \left[\frac{1}{e^2+f^2 T^2} + \frac{1}{e^2-f^2 T^2} \right][/tex]

So the integral becomes:

[tex]\int \frac{1}{a-bT^4}dT = \frac{1}{2e^2} \left[ \int \frac{1}{e^2+f^2 T^2} dT + \int \frac{1}{e^2-f^2 T^2} dT \right][/tex]

The first integral can be calculated using the substituition

[tex]\frac{fT}{e}=tan(x)[/tex]

Which after some calculations leads to:

[tex]\int \frac{1}{e^2+f^2 T^2} dT = \frac{1}{ef} arctan \left( \frac{fT}{e} \right)[/tex]

The second integral can be decomposed as:

[tex]\int \frac{1}{e^2-f^2 T^2} dT = \frac{1}{2e} \int \left[ \frac{1}{e-fT} + \frac{1}{e+fT} \right] dT[/tex]

And integrating it we get:

[tex]\int \frac{1}{e^2-f^2 T^2} dT = \frac{1}{2ef} ln \left[ \frac{e+fT}{e-fT} \right][/tex]

So, the final result is:

[tex]\int \frac{1}{a-bT^4}dT =\frac{1}{2e^3 f}\left[ arctan\left(\frac{fT}{e}\right) + \frac{1}{2} ln\left(\frac{e+fT}{e-fT}\right)\right][/tex]

As shown in the equation called Equation 1, this is equal to t+C (C being an arbitrary constant), so the solution for the differential equation is:

[tex]\frac{1}{2e^3 f}\left[ arctan\left(\frac{fT}{e}\right) + \frac{1}{2} ln\left(\frac{e+fT}{e-fT}\right)\right] = t+C[/tex]

So you see you can write t as a function of T(t), but i think there is no way to find a way to write T(t) as a function of t. Anyway, its the best we can do... i hope it be enough.

BTW, in the above equation you can remove the e's and f's by writing them in function of the original parameters a and b as:

[tex]e=\sqrt[4]{a}[/tex] and [tex]f=\sqrt[4]{b}[/tex],

but the equation you will get is even uglier:

[tex]\frac{1}{2 \sqrt[4]{a^3 b} } \left[ arctan\left(\sqrt[4]{ \frac{b}{a} } T\right) + \frac{1}{2} ln\left(\frac{ \sqrt[4]{a}+\sqrt[4]{b}T }{ \sqrt[4]{a}-\sqrt[4]{b}T }\right)\right] = t+C[/tex]
 
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