How can the range of a projectile fired at an angle up a hill be calculated?

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The problem involves calculating the range of a projectile fired at an angle up a hill with a specific slope. It is situated within the context of classical mechanics, focusing on projectile motion and the effects of slope on trajectory.

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  • Participants discuss breaking down the components of motion into x and y directions, with one attempting to integrate to find position equations. Others question the implications of the slope on the trajectory and the use of Taylor expansions for flight time.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts and hints. Some guidance has been offered regarding the magnitude of the position vector, but there is no clear consensus or resolution yet.

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There are constraints related to the projectile's landing position on the slope, as well as the complexity introduced by the hill's angle. Participants express uncertainty about how to incorporate the slope into their calculations.

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the following problem is from the 5th edition of Thorton and Marion's "Classical Dynamics"
ch.2 problem 14 p.92

Homework Statement
A projectile is fired with initial speed v_0 at an elevation angle of alpha up a hill of slope beta (alpha > beta).

(a) how far up the hill will the projectile land?
(b) at what angle alpha will the range be a maximum?
(c) what is the maximum angle?

The attempt at a solution
apparently this has been a stumper in former classical mechanics classes, but here was as far as i got:

i broke down the components of the forces into x and y
x-component:
a_x=0 integrating -->
v_x = v_0 cos(beta) integrating -->
x = v_0 t cos(beta)

a_y = -g integrating -->
v_y = -gt + v_0 sin (alpha - beta) integrating -->
y = ( -gt^2 / 2 ) + v_0 sin (alpha - beta)


the answer in the back of the book for part (a) is:
d = (2 v_0^2 cos(alpha) sin(alpha-beta) ) / (g cos^2(beta))

any idea how to get from the components to the answer?
 
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Hint: The distance is the magnitude of the position vector.
 
Hootenanny said:
Hint: The distance is the magnitude of the position vector.

I too am having trouble with this problem. In the book, they use Taylor expansions in order to find the flight time T and put in back into the range equation. However, they have the luxury of letting y = 0 because the trajectory is a simple parabola. We don't have the same situation here. y doesn't equal zero, y = beta*range.
 
I have no idea how we're supposed to get things like cos(\beta)
 

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