How can the surface area of a sphere be derived using integration of circles?

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The discussion revolves around deriving the formula for the surface area of a sphere using integration techniques, specifically by considering the sphere as composed of circular slices. The participants are focused on understanding the mathematical setup and integration process involved in this derivation.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the concept of slicing a sphere into circular sections and integrating their circumferences. There are attempts to express the integration in terms of the angle θ and the radius of the circles formed. Some participants express confusion about the setup of the integral and the approximation of the cylindrical elements used in the calculations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on their integration approach and questioning the assumptions made regarding the geometry of the sphere. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of arc length for height in the cylindrical approximation, indicating a productive direction in the exploration of the problem.

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Participants note that the integration setup may not yield the correct formula, highlighting potential issues with the assumptions made about the geometry of the sphere and the elements being integrated. There is a recognition of the need for a more accurate representation of the height of the cylindrical elements in the integration process.

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Homework Statement



Derive the formula for surface area of a sphere using integration of circles

Homework Equations



Need to get : S = 4πr2

The Attempt at a Solution



Consider a sphere of radius r centred on the origin of a 3D space. Let y be an axis thru the origin. The sphere can be sliced into a row of circles with the y-axis at their centres. Consider one of these circles. The circumference c of the circle depends on it centre's distance from the origin such that
c = 2πr cos θ , where θ is the angle from the origin between the (x,z) plane to any point on the circle's circumference. r cosθ is the radius of the circle.

For -r to r, y= r sinθ
The Integration the circles circumferences along y from -r to r is
2πr cos θ ∫dy
Since y = r sinθ, then dy / dθ = r cosθ , so dy = r cos θ dθ
so the integration formula is
2πr2 ∫ (cos θ)2

I don't get the right formula from that integral.
There's something wrong with my setting up the integral. I can't see what though. Please give me a hint or two.
 
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meemoe_uk said:

Homework Statement



Derive the formula for surface area of a sphere using integration of circles


Homework Equations



Need to get : S = 4πr2


The Attempt at a Solution



Consider a sphere of radius r centred on the origin of a 3D space. Let y be an axis thru the origin. The sphere can be sliced into a row of circles with the y-axis at their centres. Consider one of these circles. The circumference c of the circle depends on it centre's distance from the origin such that
c = 2πr cos θ , where θ is the angle from the origin between the (x,z) plane to any point on the circle's circumference. r cosθ is the radius of the circle.

For -r to r, y= r sinθ
The Integration the circles circumferences along y from -r to r is
2πr cos θ ∫dy
The problem is in this last step. You're using ##dA = 2\pi r \cos \theta\,dy##, but that's only good when ##\theta \approx 0##, where a strip of the sphere looks like a piece of a cylinder. As you near the top and bottom of the sphere, the strip becomes flatter and flatter. Its area is no longer well approximated by that of cylinder of radius r cos θ and height dy.

Since y = r sinθ, then dy / dθ = r cosθ , so dy = r cos θ dθ
so the integration formula is
2πr2 ∫ (cos θ)2

I don't get the right formula from that integral.
There's something wrong with my setting up the integral. I can't see what though. Please give me a hint or two.
 
thks. Looks like I was hoping the circles would sort themselves out. Now I think I need to start by approximating a slice of the sphere as a frustum. The lower limit ( no min element ) of frustum of height h is a circle, and an array of frustums can approximate a sphere.
 
meemoe_uk said:

Homework Statement



Derive the formula for surface area of a sphere using integration of circles


Homework Equations



Need to get : S = 4πr2


The Attempt at a Solution



Consider a sphere of radius r centred on the origin of a 3D space. Let y be an axis thru the origin. The sphere can be sliced into a row of circles with the y-axis at their centres. Consider one of these circles. The circumference c of the circle depends on it centre's distance from the origin such that
c = 2πr cos θ , where θ is the angle from the origin between the (x,z) plane to any point on the circle's circumference. r cosθ is the radius of the circle.

For -r to r, y= r sinθ
The Integration the circles circumferences along y from -r to r is
2πr cos θ ∫dy
Since y = r sinθ, then dy / dθ = r cosθ , so dy = r cos θ dθ
so the integration formula is
2πr2 ∫ (cos θ)2

I don't get the right formula from that integral.
There's something wrong with my setting up the integral. I can't see what though. Please give me a hint or two.

If I understand your attempt correctly, you're basically summing the surface area of open cylindrical elements with radius ##r\cos\theta## and an infinitesimal height.

Unfortunately, the element you used for the height is not correct. I suggest you use the arc length along the sphere given by ##\mathrm{d s} = r\mathrm{d \theta}## as a better approximation for the height of the cylindrical element.
 

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