How can trigonometric substitutions be used to solve differential equations?

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation using trigonometric substitutions and integration techniques. The original poster attempts to solve the equation 4xdy - ydx = (x^2)dy and explores various integration methods, including substitution and partial fraction decomposition.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the integration process, with one suggesting the use of partial fraction decomposition while others explore trigonometric substitution. There are questions about the correctness of the integration steps and the transformation of variables.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on integration techniques and pointed out potential mistakes in the original approach. There is an ongoing exploration of different methods, and while some progress has been made, there is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of using trigonometric substitution and question the feasibility of eliminating certain terms from the integral. There are references to specific integral forms and transformations that may aid in the solution.

DryRun
Gold Member
Messages
837
Reaction score
4
Homework Statement
Solve differential equation
4xdy - ydx = (x^2)dy

The attempt at a solution

(4x - x^2)dy = ydx

(1/y)dy = (1/(4x - x^2))dx

Integrating both sides:

For integrating 1/(4x - x^2) i completed the square for the denominator part and got 4-(x-2)^2 then used substitution; let (x-2) = 2sint

lny = sin^-1((x-2)/2) + lnA

But the answer wrong for some reason unknown to me.
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
Hi sharks! :smile:

I'm not sure how you integrated, but you should have integrated dt/2cost.
But this is not so easy, and it is not what you wrote.

Instead I recommend integrating by using partial fraction decomposition.
See for instance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_fraction#Illustration
 
Hi "I like Serena"! :approve:

If you would allow me to expand a little bit from my first trial above:

Using substitution; let (x-2) = 2sint
Indeed, i do get 1/2cost but then i also need to change the derivative from dx to dt
I do that by differentiating x-2 = 2sint
which gives me dx = 2cost.dt
and i replace in the integral to give me:

(1/4cos^2t).2cost.dt and this gives me (you are correct!) an integral of (1/2cost).dt = (1/2).sect.dt which i then integrate to (1/2).ln(pi/4 + t/2)
and then i replace from the substitution.

2sint = x-2
sint = (x-2)/2
t = arcsin ((x-2)/2)

Wow... OK, i see why you said it's not so easy. But is it even possible at all? As i don't see how the arcsin would go away.Using your proposed method, since i cannot factorize x^2 - 4x
I've done this: x(x - 4)

So, the partial fraction is...

1/(4x) + 1/(4(4-x))

... and behold, i got the answer! y = A(x/(4-x))^(1/4)
 
Last edited:
sharks said:
Using substitution; let (x-2) = 2sint
Indeed, i do get 1/2cost but then i also need to change the derivative from dx to dt
I do that by differentiating x-2 = 2sint
which gives me dx = 2cost.dt
and i replace in the integral to give me:

(1/2cost).2cost.dt

The first factor should be 1/(2cost)2.

ehild
 
Note that [itex]4x-x^{2}=2^{2}-(x-2)^{2}[/itex] I think that this will help you a great deal.
 
OK, i went over it again, found the mistake as you pointed out and i edited my previous post, as i got stuck with my alternate method. It really appears to be quite complicated if i use a trig substitution, but i wonder how/if it'll work out.
 
sharks said:
OK, i went over it again, found the mistake as you pointed out and i edited my previous post, as i got stuck with my alternate method. It really appears to be quite complicated if i use a trig substitution, but i wonder how/if it'll work out.

Oh well, it says here what the integral of sec t is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_integrals#Trigonometric_functions


You can get rid of the arcsin, by using the definition of sine, cosine and tanget.

arcsin(x) means you have a triangle with hypotenuse 1, and opposing side x.
So for instance cos(arcsin(x)) is the adjacent/hypotenuse = √(1-x2)/1.


Btw, you could also have integrated your fraction with the completed square, since it's the derivative of (1/4)artanh((x-2)/2).
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 25 ·
Replies
25
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
1K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
4K