How can we calculate the average power of a conventional AM signal?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the average power of a conventional amplitude modulated (AM) signal, specifically examining the formula for average power derived from the modulated signal equation. Participants explore the mathematical steps involved in the calculation and the assumptions necessary for the derivation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the equation for the modulated signal and the formula for average power as given in their professor's notes, expressing confusion over the derivation.
  • Another participant suggests rewriting the modulated signal and applying the square of the sum formula to facilitate the calculation of average power.
  • A participant questions the validity of assuming the average of the product of two functions can be separated into the product of their averages, particularly in the context of the terms involving the message signal and the cosine function.
  • It is noted that the assumption of the message signal being slowly-varying compared to the carrier frequency is crucial for simplifying the calculations, specifically regarding the neglect of certain terms in the average power expression.
  • Further clarification is sought regarding the treatment of the average of products of functions, with emphasis on the conditions under which such simplifications are valid.

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Participants generally agree on the importance of the assumption that the average of the message signal is zero, which allows for the neglect of certain terms. However, there remains some disagreement and uncertainty regarding the mathematical treatment of averages of products of functions, particularly in the context of the specific terms involved in the average power calculation.

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Participants highlight the dependence on the assumption that the message signal is slowly-varying compared to the cosine function, which is not explicitly stated in the original problem but is considered necessary for the derivation. There is also an unresolved discussion about the mathematical properties of averages of products of functions.

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Homework Statement


Trying to calculate Conventional AM average transmitted power of the modulated signal
s(t) = A (1+ka m(t) ) cos(2∏f t)
where
A: carrier amplitude
ka: amplitude sensitivity
m(t) : message signal
f: Carrier frequency

my professor's lecture notes calculate the average power as
0.5 A2( 1+< ka2 m2(t)>)
where <.> is the time average.

Homework Equations



Average Power (for periodic Signals) = 1/T (∫0T x2(t) dt)

The Attempt at a Solution


average power for cos(2∏ft) =0.5
but applying the Average power rule I can't get this integral to be equal to the formula my professor's got!
Thanks in advance.
 
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Rewrite s(t) as A km(t)cos(wt) + Acos(wt), w = 2 pi f.
Then do s^2(t). Hint: as you will recall, (a+b)^2 = a^2 + 2ab + b^2.

So making the appropriate substitutions for a and b,
avg{s(t)^2} = avg(a^2) + avg(2ab) + avg(b^2).
Etc.
 
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so avg{s(t)^2} = avg{A^2 k^2 m(t)^2 cos^2(wt)} + avg{2A^2 k m(t)cos^2(wt)}+avg{A^2 cos^2(wt)}
still who says avg{A^2 k^2 m(t)^2 cos^2(wt)} = avg{cos^2(wt)} * avg{A^2 k^2 m(t)}
 
Dina Khaled said:
so avg{s(t)^2} = avg{A^2 k^2 m(t)^2 cos^2(wt)} + avg{2A^2 k m(t)cos^2(wt)}+avg{A^2 cos^2(wt)}
still who says avg{A^2 k^2 m(t)^2 cos^2(wt)} = avg{cos^2(wt)} * avg{A^2 k^2 m(t)}

Excellent question! The answer is that f(t) is assumed to be slowly-varying compared to cos(wt), and that the avergage of f(t) = 0. This is certainly the case in "ordinary" AM where f(t) is limited to a few sinusoidal (zero-avg.) KHz whereas w = 2 pi*1 MHz typical.

The prof should have stated this for you IMO.
 
Well, he did state that assumption, although what I understand is that the assumption that the average of the message is 0 means we will neglect the term avg{2A^2 k m(t)cos^2(wt)}.
However,my question is
if ∫ ab is not equal to ∫a ∫ b
then how come average(ab) = average(a) average(b)
Thanks !
 
Dina Khaled said:
Well, he did state that assumption, although what I understand is that the assumption that the average of the message is 0 means we will neglect the term avg{2A^2 k m(t)cos^2(wt)}.

Right.

However,my question is
if ∫ ab is not equal to ∫a ∫ b
then how come average(ab) = average(a) average(b)
Thanks !

Are you referring to the third term 2ab or the term A^2 k^2 m^2(t) cos^2(wt)? I'll assume the latter since you seem to agree that the 2ab term disappears. The answer is that m(t) varies slowly compared to cos(wt) so m(t) is approx. constant over 1 cycle of cos(wt) and so that term average boils down to A^2 k^2 <m^2>/2.
 
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