How can we have Inelastic scattering?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of inelastic scattering and its distinction from elastic scattering, particularly in the context of energy conservation and the role of internal vibrations. Participants explore the implications of heat production and internal energy changes during scattering events.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that inelastic scattering involves the production of heat due to vibrations in the target material caused by incident particles.
  • Others argue that the key difference between elastic and inelastic scattering lies in the conservation of translational kinetic energy, with elastic scattering conserving this energy while inelastic does not.
  • It is noted that total energy is always conserved, even if kinetic energy is transformed into internal energy states.
  • A participant mentions that internal vibrations are excluded from the translational kinetic energy calculations, which focus on the center of mass speed.
  • There is a question raised about the possibility of inelastic collisions, particularly in the context of single particles like electrons, and whether such collisions can occur.
  • One participant suggests that high-energy collisions could lead to inelastic collisions through processes like pair production, which consume kinetic energy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between heat, vibrations, and the definitions of elastic and inelastic scattering. There is no consensus on the implications of these concepts, particularly regarding inelastic collisions and the role of internal energy.

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Participants discuss the nuances of energy conservation, the definitions of internal versus translational kinetic energy, and the conditions under which inelastic collisions may occur, without resolving these complexities.

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Inelastic scattering is the scattering event in which heat is produced. But we know that heat is also due to particles' vibration. Therefore when the vibration is made in target by incident particle, the target would vibrate (in other words, phonons or heat are produced). Thus heat is a type of vibration. So what is the difference between elastic and inelastic scatterings?
 
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The difference is in whether or not the translational kinetic energy of the scattered particles in conserved. If it is elastic scattering, the kinetic energy of the scattered particles will be the same as that of the incident particles. If not, then the collisions are inelastic.
 
total energy is always conserved though.
 
hokhani said:
Inelastic scattering is the scattering event in which heat is produced. <snip>

Not always: kinetic energy can also be converted into changes of 'internal' energy (vibrational, rotational, electronic, spin) states. This is how He-Ne lasers work, for example.
 
Ok,thank you very much, But how about inelastic collision? According to the fact that heat is anyhow a type of vibration how can we have inelastic collision?
 
This internal vibrations are excluded from the computation of the translational kinetic energy of the object as a whole which uses the speed of the center of mass, not the speed of each individual particle. That part of the kinetic energy belongs with the internal energy (thermal energy).
 
dauto said:
This internal vibrations are excluded from the computation of the translational kinetic energy of the object as a whole which uses the speed of the center of mass, not the speed of each individual particle. That part of the kinetic energy belongs with the internal energy (thermal energy).
By this you mean that: If we have two single particles (such as electron), we would only have elastic collision and inelastic collision is not possible. Ok?
 
Yes, except that if the energy of the collision is high enough, you would start producing new particles by pair-production and that process would consume part of the kinetic energy, than you would have inelastic collision between electrons.
 
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