How Can You Measure the Speed of Light with Chocolate?

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The discussion revolves around two experiments proposed for measuring the speed of light using everyday items, specifically a microwave oven and chocolate. Participants explore the feasibility, methodology, and implications of these experiments, including safety considerations and alternative materials.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes an experiment using a microwave and chocolate to measure the speed of light, suggesting that the distance between hot spots indicates the wavelength.
  • Another participant questions whether the distance between the spots truly represents the wavelength, noting that standing waves in the microwave could complicate this measurement.
  • Some participants suggest using marshmallows instead of chocolate, citing the latter as too precious for experimentation.
  • A participant mentions that while the experiment works, it seems redundant since the speed of light is already known to create microwaves.
  • There is a proposal to consider using UV rays from the sun to measure the speed of light, although concerns about accuracy are raised.
  • One participant shares a personal experience with the second experiment involving a fuel can, highlighting safety challenges.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity and practicality of the chocolate experiment, with some questioning the methodology and others affirming its effectiveness. There is no consensus on the accuracy of the measurements or the appropriateness of the materials used.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential limitations in the experiments, such as the dependence on the specific setup of the microwave and the interpretation of standing waves. Safety concerns regarding the second experiment are also mentioned.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring experimental physics, educators looking for engaging classroom activities, or anyone curious about unconventional methods of measuring physical constants.

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The first one I got from a book by New Scientist.

For the first experiment you need a microwave oven, a chocolate bar and a ruler.
You can use these to find the speed of light (c\ =\ 2.99792458\ \times\ 10^{8}\ m\ s^{-1}). Take the rotating tray out your microwave oven and place the chocolate bare inside and turn it on. You should start to see hot spots appear on the chocolate bar, this is because the microwaves don't heat evenly if it isn't rotating. Take the chocolate bar out the microwave oven and use your ruler to measure the distance between 2 hot spots, then look in your microwave oven user manual to find the frequency of the wave. Finally use the equation v=f\lambda and you should have a value close to the speed of light. (If not you can still eat the chocolate).

The second experiment is more dangerous. You need a metal fuel can, a fire or BBQ, a pole to pick up the fuel can and what ever you feel you need to keep your self safe (gloves, goggles etc). You put some water in the can but not enough to make it so heavy you can't lift it easily, you then put it on the fire with the cap off/open. When the water boils lift the can off with the pole, then close the cap (using gloves) and stand well back. As the can cools down the pressure in the can drops and the weight of the atmosphere with begin to crush the can.
(This experiment can be quite dangerous so do it sensibly, don't try it inside)
 
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madmike159 said:
The first one I got from a book by New Scientist.

For the first experiment you need a microwave oven, a chocolate bar and a ruler.
You can use these to find the speed of light (c\ =\ 2.99792458\ \times\ 10^{8}\ m\ s^{-1}). Take the rotating tray out your microwave oven and place the chocolate bare inside and turn it on. You should start to see hot spots appear on the chocolate bar, this is because the microwaves don't heat evenly if it isn't rotating. Take the chocolate bar out the microwave oven and use your ruler to measure the distance between 2 hot spots, then look in your microwave oven user manual to find the frequency of the wave. Finally use the equation v=f\lambda and you should have a value close to the speed of light. (If not you can still eat the chocolate).

Okay, so then the distance between the spots is the wavelength? If it is a microwave then surely it must be emitting microwaves, therefor the all microwaves must have a similar frequency. If so we would expect the spots to be between 1mm - 300mm? Have you tried this by any chance? I know my chocolate isn't worth risking :cool:
 
Use marshmallows, chocolate is just too precious:biggrin:

We actually did this in class. And yes, it works but it's a bit silly considering that c must already have been known to create the microwave. Like measuring a thermometer against a thermometer.
 
Well the book i got it from said it works. My microwave has the rotating plate built into the back of it so the food is still and the emitters move, so when I put my chocolate in it all just melted :smile: As for the second one I have tryed that, but its hard to get it off the fire and close the lid.
 
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Use marshmallows, chocolate is just too precious:biggrin:

We actually did this in class. And yes, it works but it's a bit silly considering that c must already have been known to create the microwave. Like measuring a thermometer against a thermometer.

Well then could we not do the same thing with the sun and UV rays? If we knew the frequency of that then we could determine the speed of light. The problem I guess is that it would depend on what degree of accuracy you used, though I am perfectly aware this isn't how it would be calculated usually. :approve:
 
I think that the distance between two spots won't be the wavelength: you have standing waves in the microwave, so that the distance between two nodes would be fractions of the wavelength depending on the mode...
 
Well the chocolate may be pointless but you can eat it at the end, but the fuel can one is much better. It gives you a good idea how much the Earth atmosphere weighs.
 

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