How Can You Solve Antiderivatives for Unknown Functions in Homework Problems?

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The discussion revolves around solving antiderivatives for unknown functions, specifically focusing on two problems involving integrals and derivative graphs. Participants explore how to utilize given values and properties of functions to find unknown values.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Some participants attempt to simplify integrals using basic rules and properties, while others express confusion about how to apply given conditions to find specific function values. There are discussions about the relevance of certain parts of graphs and the integration process.

Discussion Status

Several participants have offered different approaches to the problems, with some suggesting that certain graph sections may be irrelevant. There is a mix of agreement on methods, but no explicit consensus on the final answers, as participants continue to explore different reasoning paths.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the information available for solving the problems. There are also indications of confusion regarding the application of theoretical concepts to practical problems.

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Homework Statement


Q1.
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Q2.
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I really don't know how to go about either of the two.
In the second one I know that g(0)=100, g'(0)=-10 and g'(15)=0, but have no idea how you would be able to use these go get g(15)

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Q1 Simplify the integral using all those basic rules. The integral of a constant times a function is equal to a constant times the integral of the function. And the sum of the integrals is equal to the integral of the sum.
[tex] $ \int_{-1}^{1}(3f(x)-g(x))dx = 3\int_{-1}^{1}f(x) dx - \int_{-1}^{1} g(x) dx<br /> = 6-\int_{-1}^{1} g(x)\\6-\int_{-1}^{1} g(x) = 12\\<br /> \int_{-1}^{1} g(x) = -6\\ $[/tex]
 
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whoops! I posted the wrong question. Thanks anyway for the help!

Here's the one I was supposed to post..

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[tex]let $ u=x^2,\frac{du}{dx}=2x $\\<br /> $ xdx =\frac{1}{2}du $\\<br /> when x =0, u=0\\<br /> when x =2, u=4\\<br /> <br /> $ \int_0^2 xg(x^2)dx=\int_0^4 \frac{1}{2} g(u) du = \frac{1}{2}*16=8$[/tex]
 
Thanks a lot of sorting that one out! :approve:

Now for that dreaded antidiv. graph..
 
I'll take a guess and say that the answer is 25, the curved section of the graph is basically a distraction. You can find the total change between 0 and 15 by finding the area under the derivative graph for this interval. It's equal to -75. As g(0) = 100 it follows that g(15) = 100 -75 =25.
 
gunstar-red said:
I'll take a guess and say that the answer is 25, the curved section of the graph is basically a distraction. You can find the total change between 0 and 15 by finding the area under the derivative graph for this interval. It's equal to -75. As g(0) = 100 it follows that g(15) = 100 -75 =25.

hmmm, I'm really clueless, but the theory behind your answer seems like the most logical/correct understanding I have heard so far.
 
As gunstar-red said, the "looping" part at the end is irrelevant since you are only asked to go up to x= 15. The graph before that is a straight line from (0, -10) to (15, 0). Although it is harder than what he suggested, you can fairly easily write out the equation for g'(x) and integrate to find g(x).
 
I still get 25 doing it your way HallsofIvy.
g'(x)=2/3x-10
g(x)=x^3/3-10x+c
g(0)=100
.:100=c
g(x)=x^3/3-10x+100
g(15)=75-150+100=25

I think this is because they are in essence the same process.

g'(x)=f(x)
g(x)=F(x)+c when x = 0, g(0)=100
100=F(0)+c
c=100-F(0)
so g(x)=F(x) - F(0) +100
and g(15) =F(15) - F(0) +100
[tex]$ g(15) = \int_0^{15} g'(x) dx +100 = -75 +100 = 25$[/tex]
 
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Yes, of course, you get the same thing! And, yes, they are basically the same.
 
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HallsofIvy, your method makes a lot more sense to me solely because there's more math and less theory!
 

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