How come friction can make a car turn?

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The discussion revolves around the role of friction in enabling a car to turn, exploring the mechanics of frictional forces in relation to steering and acceleration. Participants examine the nature of friction, its directionality, and its effects on a car's trajectory, with a focus on both theoretical and practical implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how friction can facilitate turning, noting that frictional force seems to act opposite to the direction of wheel rotation during a turn.
  • Another participant explains that a car naturally tends to move in a straight line, and that lateral forces at the contact patches of the tires modify this trajectory.
  • It is suggested that static friction is at play when a car turns, and that this friction is not directly related to the velocity or direction of the tires.
  • A participant emphasizes that a freely rolling wheel experiences lateral friction, and that longitudinal forces are not present unless the brakes or accelerator are engaged.
  • Humorous remarks are made regarding the term "science friction," which leads to a light-hearted exchange among participants.
  • One participant expresses concern that the original poster (OP) has not engaged with the serious responses provided, suggesting a lack of understanding of the material linked in a previous post.
  • The OP is noted to be on a vacation to better understand the topic, indicating ongoing uncertainty about the importance of the provided references.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of friction and its role in turning a car, with some emphasizing static friction and others questioning the directionality of frictional forces. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives present.

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Some participants reference external links for further reading, indicating that the discussion may depend on understanding these resources. There is an acknowledgment of the OP's current lack of engagement with these references, which may limit the depth of the discussion.

James Brown
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How is it possible that friction makes car turn? From what I know, frictional force is acting along to the direction of the wheel turns.
When the car turns, the direction of the frictional force now act opposite to the direction of the wheel turns!

I'm sure if you rotate the steering wheel to a certain angle and don't move the wheel. Then when you step on the gas pedal afterwards the car will move in a near prefect circle
Now I need to find out a problem: Frictional force makes a car to accelerate or accelerate in other direction?
 
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Please, see:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_of_forces

https://www.formula1-dictionary.net/traction_circle.html

The car naturally wants to move on a straight line and at constant speed.
Forward or rearward forces in the contact patches of the driving tires modify that constant speed.
Lateral forces in the contact patches of the steering tires modify that natural straight trajectory.
For driving-steering tires, you have a net force compounded by longitudinal and lateral forces, which induce a net acceleration of the car’s mass in the same direction of the net force.
 
Assuming there is no skidding or "squealing" of tires the frictional forces of the road on the tire are static friction and are not directly related to any velocity or direction thereof.
 
James Brown said:
From what I know, frictional force is acting along to the direction of the wheel turns.
The opposite is the case (at least until one presses on the brakes or on the accelerator). A freely rolling wheel only experiences lateral friction. The fore-and-aft component is eliminated when an ideal wheel is free to roll.

That is rather the point of putting rocks into wheeled carts rather than piling them on sledges.
 
James Brown said:
How is it possible that friction makes car turn?
It's called science friction!
 
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PeroK said:
It's called science friction!
Be serious can you?
 
James Brown said:
Be serious can you?
LOL. Did you read the links in the serious reply #2 by @Lnewqban ? If not, why not? If so, what part did you not understand?
 
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James Brown said:
Be serious can you?
You were given serious responses and did not reply to them so perhaps a little humor was called for. If you can't take a joke, you're in for a dull life.
 
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phinds said:
You were given serious responses and did not reply to them so perhaps a little humor was called for. If you can't take a joke, you're in for a dull life.
Ahh OK then I got nothing to say
 
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James Brown said:
Ahh OK then I got nothing to say
Okay, then I'll go ahead and close off this thread for now. I know you are in high school and wanting to learn, which is a good thing. Please read through the links given above in post #2, and if you have questions about that reading, let me know and I can re-open this thread. Thanks.
 
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Update -- In a PM conversation, the OP doesn't seem to understand why it's important to read the recommended references in reply #2. OP is on a 10-day vacation to try to underdstand that.
 
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