How Deep is the Hole? Solving for Distance Using Kinematics and Speed of Sound

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The problem involves a stone dropped into a hole, with the speed of sound in air provided. The total time for the stone to fall and the sound to travel back is given, prompting a calculation of the hole's depth using kinematics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the time taken for the stone to fall and the time for the sound to travel back up, questioning how to express these times mathematically given the missing variables.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered hints on how to set up the problem mathematically, suggesting that the distance traveled by both the stone and the sound is the same. Others express uncertainty about how to proceed with the missing information and the equations involved.

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Participants note the challenge of working with multiple unknowns and the constraints of the problem, including the total time of 1.5 seconds and the need to relate the distances and times for both the stone and the sound.

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Homework Statement



a stone is dropped from rest into a hole. the speed of sound is 343 m/s in air. the sound of the stone striking bottom is heard 1.5s after the stone is dropped, how deep is the hole?



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The Attempt at a Solution



not a clue. I know that in 1.5 s it has to drop, hit bottom, and the sound of it travels at 343 m/s back up to vi.
 
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You're on the right track, just express it mathematically.
Total time = time for stone to fall X meters + time for sound to travel X meters.

(Then you can solve for X.)
 
Ok, I understand what your saying, but how do I do this with so many missing variables? if 1.5s = dt + dt...but I don't have either d or t for the stone or sound. or can I somehow use: total T = 1/2 at2(squared) + something with speed of sound...Its just on the tip of my brain! or is my logic way off...
 
Hint: The stone and the sound waves both travel the same distance. For the stone: Use falling body kinematics to express the distance as a function of time (t_1). For the sound waves: Express the distance they travel in terms of the speed of sound and time (t_2).

Now you can put it all together by using these facts:
(1) The distance traveled is the same
(2) t_1 + t_2 is given

Then you can solve for the times and then the distance. Just jump in and try it.
 

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