How Difficult and Expensive is Nanometer-Scale Layer Manufacturing?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges and costs associated with manufacturing layers of materials at the nanometer scale, as well as the potential applications of such structures. Participants explore various materials, techniques, and specific applications in the context of nanotechnology.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the specific materials in question, suggesting silicon and metals as potential examples.
  • There is mention of nanoparticles and their applications, with a participant asking for clarification on intended uses.
  • One participant notes that manufacturing a layer just a few nanometers thick would be challenging due to difficulties in controlling thickness.
  • Graphene is introduced as a non-metal material that conducts electricity and heat, with references to its production methods.
  • Applications such as metal-insulator-metal (MIM) diodes are proposed, prompting questions about recent research in this area.
  • A participant highlights the commonality of thin films a few nanometers thick, mentioning atomic layer deposition (ALD) as a widely used technique in cleanrooms for producing such films.
  • It is noted that while creating narrow strips using electron beam lithography is feasible, the yield decreases for structures narrower than a certain threshold.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and interest in specific materials and applications, with no clear consensus on the overall difficulty or cost of manufacturing at the nanometer scale. Multiple viewpoints on the usefulness and feasibility of such structures remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss various materials and techniques without resolving the complexities involved in manufacturing at the nanometer scale. There are references to specific applications and production methods, but limitations in assumptions and definitions are not fully addressed.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in nanotechnology, materials science, semiconductor manufacturing, and applications of nanostructures may find this discussion relevant.

DyerMaker
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How hard and costy is it to manufacture
a layer of substance a few nanometers wide and how useful such structures would be?
 
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Can you say more about your question? What kind of material? Silicon?
 
berkeman said:
Can you say more about your question? What kind of material? Silicon?
Such materials as metals and metals' oxides
 
You mean like nanoparticles?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanoparticle

Well, semiconductors currently have nanometer-size features, and are pretty important (obviously).

Nanoparticles have some interesting applications...

What applications do you have in mind?
 
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DyerMaker said:
How hard and costy is it to manufacture a layer of substance a few nanometers wide and how useful such structures would be?
A few nanometres would be something like a dozen atoms thick.
It would be difficult to accurately control the thickness.

Colour-selective mirrors are typically made from thicker coatings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-reflective_coating
 
Does Graphene count? It's not a metal, but it conducts electricity and heat as well as metals. There are lots of YouTube videos about making it, like this one:
 
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DaveE said:
Does Graphene count? It's not a metal, but it conducts electricity and heat as well as metals. There are lots of YouTube videos about making it, like this one:

This Youtube video reminds me of when I was doing vacuum deposition a few years ago.
 
berkeman said:
You mean like nanoparticles?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanoparticle

Well, semiconductors currently have nanometer-size features, and are pretty important (obviously).

Nanoparticles have some interesting applications...

What applications do you have in mind?
I have in mind, first of all, such application as MIM diodes.
 
DyerMaker said:
I have in mind, first of all, such application as MIM diodes.
What reading have you been doing about MIM diodes? Has there been recent research and development into them since the initial work a few decades ago?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal–insulator–metal
 
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If you are talking about thin films that are a few nm thick then they are very, very common, there are lots of cleanrooms that can make such films. Tools such as atomic layer deposition (ALD) systems are very good at making thin insulting films and are widely used in commercial production and often available even in "regular" university cleanrooms.
These films can then be patterned to make very narrow strips; a few tens of nm wide is "easy" using electron beam lithography; structures more narrow than that can be made but the yield does suffer.
 
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