How do AVRs handle unbalanced systems?

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The discussion revolves around how Automatic Voltage Regulators (AVRs) manage unbalanced electrical systems, particularly in the context of isolated synchronous generators supplying loads. Participants explore the sensing mechanisms of AVRs, their responses to voltage imbalances, and the implications for different types of generators.

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  • One participant questions whether AVRs sense line-to-phase voltage across all three phases or just one, suggesting that the AVR might increase excitation if it detects an imbalance.
  • Another participant notes that large central station machines typically have unbalance detection that could switch the voltage regulator to manual control, assuming the unbalance is due to metering failure rather than a real issue.
  • A different perspective suggests that a significant unbalance would trigger protective relays to shut down the generator, indicating a severe internal fault.
  • Participants discuss the behavior of AVRs in less severe unbalance scenarios, such as voltages of 1.0, 1.0, and 0.8 pu, and seek clarity on the ideal AVR response in these conditions.
  • It is mentioned that some regulators sense all three phases while smaller ones may only sense one, which could lead to a lack of response if the affected phase is not monitored.
  • One participant describes the operational features of larger regulators, including manual and automatic sections, and how they handle measurement errors and adjustments to maintain stability.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the specifics of AVR operation in unbalanced conditions, with no consensus reached on the ideal response or the mechanisms involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best practices for AVRs in isolated systems.

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Limitations include assumptions about the severity of unbalance and the specific configurations of AVRs, which may vary based on the size and type of generator. The discussion does not resolve the implications of different sensing strategies or the conditions under which AVRs operate effectively.

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(Referring to functioning of AVR on a system where an Isolated Synchronous Generator is supplying load to consumer)
What voltage do AVRs normally sense? I guess they must sense Line-to-phase voltage of all three phases. (and not just a single phase)
And when it detects that one phase is loaded and other phase is unloaded,
Say, the line to phase voltage reading of three phases comes out to be
A: 1 pu
B: 1 pu
C: 0.5 pu

What should AVR do now? Will it increase excitation slightly or what?
 
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A large central station machine would be equipped with unbalance detection which would place voltage regulator to manual control, on presumption the unbalance was not real but caused by a failure in the metering circuitry.
a real unbalance that large would indicate something drastically wrong inside the generator and trip its protective relays, shutting it down immediately. ( i think on negative sequence, need a genuine power engineer to check me on that one.. Something that bad wrong would probably give differential too.)

a very small machine might only sense two phases.
it's common to sense phase AC for voltage control and phase B current for var control because they're 90 degrees out of phase, draw your triangle...
in which case your supposition could be right, regulator might try to raise voltage.
 
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Thanks jim.
I agree that such a large unbalance would already trip some other protection circuit. So, let's talk about little less unbalance, say, 1.0, 1.0 and 0.8 pu.
For isolated system (used in places not fetched by the national grid), what type of AVR should be suitable?
I didn't quite get what you meant when you said -
" large central station machine would be equipped with unbalance detection which would place voltage regulator to manual control, [BOLD]on presumption the unbalance was not real but caused by a failure in the metering circuitry [/BOLD]."

In other words, ideally, what should the AVR be doing in such condition ?
 
the voltage regulator would see voltage decrease and try to raise it back up.

Some regulators sense all three phases , smaller ones only one.
So if regulator didnt look at affected phase it would remain oblivious.

it's a simple closed loop controller and you understanding is correct.

The bigger the machine the more elaborate the schemes to handle "What If's "


Most large regulators have a "manual" section called "BASE"
and an Auto section that adds or subtracts a small amount to BASE
and a null-meter that shows how much auto corection is applied.
That way if the auto quits or goes haywire you simply turn it off.
A huge imbalance would be interpreted as a measurement error and the automatic section would be automatically switched off.
Operators tweak the Base adjustment to keep auto-correction near zero so that should an unexpected transfer out of AUTO occur it will be bumpless.
 

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