How Do Conducting and Non-Conducting Objects Affect Electric Fields?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the electric fields produced by conducting and non-conducting objects, specifically spheres and cylinders. Participants are exploring the implications of charge distribution and density on electric fields, as well as the differences between surface and volume charge densities.

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  • Participants are questioning the differences in charge behavior between conducting and non-conducting objects, particularly regarding enclosed charge and electric fields. They are also discussing the implications of uniform charge densities and the conditions under which electric fields are zero.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their understanding and attempting to clarify concepts related to electric fields and charge distributions. Some have expressed confusion about specific scenarios, such as the behavior of electric fields in hollow cylinders and the nature of capacitors with like charges.

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There are references to specific homework questions and the need for clarification on concepts that may be misunderstood. Participants are also considering the implications of charge density types on their calculations and interpretations.

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I have a few questions related to finding the electric field of an object.

1. What's the difference between a conducting object (sphere, cylinder) vs. a non conducting object? Is the charge inside a conducting and nonconducting sphere both zero if the surface charge density is uniform? What about for a cylinder?

2. When you calculate the E field, sometimes I'm given the volume charge density and sometimes the surface charge density. This only means that Qenc is defined by \rho d \tau and \sigma dA correct? Otherwise the concepts are the same..?

Also, I'm looking at a problem from my book using a cylinder where the E field inside did not result to zero.. so I'm now confused. Any help regarding these subjects would be immensely appreciated. Thank you.
 
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Here is a copy of my homework. I need help understanding the concepts of number 1.. thank you.
 

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I think I may know the answer to one of my questions. If they tell you that a sphere or cylinder has a uniform volume density, then the charge enclosed is not zero. If they tell you there is a uniform surface charge then the charge enclosed is zero?
 
My understanding of it anyway...

The charge is only present on the surface of a conducting material. There can still be an electric potential and an electric field inside however.

Yes you are correct about the Q enclosed portion.

The cylinder does not have a zero electric field. The E field is zero when there is symmetry so take just a 2D case of a circle and imagine there is a line charge of uniform density. You would have a zero electric field inside since you have an electric field in opposite directions at each point.
Now imagine that the circle has a length and is in 3D (a hollow cylinder) and centered about the x axis. You would still have symmetry causing there to be a zero E field within the y and z axis of the cylinder but there is no such symmetry along the x-axis where the face of the cylinder is so there would be a field along the x axis.

The other thing you need to be careful about is shells and spheres. With a uniformly charged shell you have an E field of zero inside but you have a non-zero field outside. Now with a sphere, think of it as shells within shells. While each one contributes a net zero E field inside they still all have a non zero field outside their respective radius so the sphere actually has an increasing E field as you move from center until you get to the radius of the sphere.
 
I thought the E field inside a conducting cylinder or hollow cylinder was zero because the charge goes to the surface?
 
I think I figured out most of my questions...

I am however stuck on number 2 on the homework I posted above. I'm assuming we treat the two spheres as a capacitor but in part a the two charges are the same sign and seemingly different charge amounts. So my question is, how does a capacitor behave if the charges are the same sign and thus making it a non capacitor..

How would I go about solving for the surface charge density for inside and outside of the surfaces? Thanks!
 
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