How do electrons behave in resistive circuits and semiconductors?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of electrons in resistive circuits and semiconductors, focusing on how individual components such as resistors can be analyzed separately. Participants explore the possibility of using a bottom-up approach to compute current, voltage, and heat emission in these components, as well as the implications of quantum mechanics and solid state physics on charge transport.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about isolating resistors in a circuit to compute current and voltage individually, suggesting the use of the continuity equation.
  • Another participant questions the relevance of quantum mechanics to the original inquiry and seeks clarification on what values are desired for each component.
  • A participant introduces the Drude model as a way to account for the quantum behavior of electrons in conductors, describing electrons as an "electron gas."
  • Further discussion includes relating electrical quantities to gas dynamics, with one participant asking how to model voltage as pressure and current as flow rate.
  • Solid state physics is mentioned as a relevant field for understanding charge transport in materials, with a suggestion to refer to introductory texts on the subject.
  • One participant expresses a lack of awareness of solid state physics and requests book recommendations and topics to study within that field.
  • Another participant discusses the relationship between binding energy of outer orbital electrons and conductivity, noting that loosely bound electrons facilitate current flow, while tightly bound electrons in resistors hinder it.
  • The role of holes in semiconductors is highlighted, along with the established theories of current and voltage in these materials.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the behavior of electrons in resistive circuits and semiconductors, with no consensus reached on specific methodologies or models. The discussion remains open-ended with multiple competing ideas presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference the need for a deeper understanding of solid state physics and quantum mechanics, indicating that assumptions about electron behavior may depend on the specific models or theories employed.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and professionals in physics, electrical engineering, and materials science, particularly those looking to understand the behavior of electrons in circuits and the principles of solid state physics.

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For a simple network of resistive circuit, we can compute the values of current and voltages right? However, I'm more curious about how each individual component behave. Is it possible to somehow isolate each resistor and compute their values individually (e.g. not having to compute the entire network first but through step-by-step, one component at a time, being able to compute the desired quantity, the bottom-up approach.) If so, how can this be done. Will the continuity equation in a closed system possibly give a solution? More exactly, how does electrons behave during their propagation through a material (in this case, a resistor, for simplicity).
 
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dhan_louie said:
For a simple network of resistive circuit, we can compute the values of current and voltages right? However, I'm more curious about how each individual component behave. Is it possible to somehow isolate each resistor and compute their values individually (e.g. not having to compute the entire network first but through step-by-step, one component at a time, being able to compute the desired quantity, the bottom-up approach.) If so, how can this be done. Will the continuity equation in a closed system possibly give a solution? More exactly, how does electrons behave during their propagation through a material (in this case, a resistor, for simplicity).

I really don't understand what you are asking, or what it has to do with quantum mechanics (which isn't even mentioned in your post). What values do you want to compute for each individual component? Are the components connected in an electrical circuit? Is current flowing?

Anyway, if you are asking about whether or not the quantum behavior of electrons flowing through bulk conductors can be accounted for, then answer is yes. There are many ways of doing this, starting from the Drude model, where the metal is treated as a lattice of positively charged ions and the detached electrons in the conductor are modeled as an "electron gas". There are many subsequent refinements of this general idea, but it is a good place to start.
 
Thanks for the reply. Regarding the values I'm interested to get, it's the current and the voltage for each individual component, and if possible the heat emission. Current is assumed to be flowing. Regarding the "electron gas" model, does this mean that if I will treat electrons as gas particles then I can relate values like voltage to pressure and current to rate of flow? How do I model this?
 
You may not have realized that there's a branch of physics known as solid state physics/condensed matter physics that deals with the behavior of materials.

If you want resources on how physics/quantum mechanics treat charge transport in metals, then an intro text in solid state physics (such as Kittel's) might be useful. Also, a search on the Drude model (which is semi-classical at best) might give you some insight into how quantity such as resistivity is derived.

Zz.
 
Thank you for replying, it is true that I have not realized the branch of physics: solid state physics during my course (thanks to my very industrious professor ), that's why I'm left researching other stuffs myself. Can you recommend a good book about the subject. Also, which topic should I study under this branch?

Thanks again :smile:
 
To everyone, thank you for your reply. This will help me a lot!
 
Although I don't know the details, I would think the ease with with a material conducts electricity is closely related to the binding energy of the outer orbital electrons...the conducting electrons. So you can think conceptually of current flowing easily in a material where outer electrons are loosley tied to each atom (typically they would be called conducting electrons) and resistors have electrons which are tightly bound...meaning it takes a lot of applied potential to overcome the electrons attraction to it's local nucleus.

In semiconductors, the theory of holes (positive carriers) also plays a big role. The theory of current and voltage in semicinductors is well established...I can still remember the agony of plowing through semiconductor current equations in graduate school...bottom up estimates, for example, where amplification in a transistor would be approximately linear...

and that was a long time ago...besides the suggestions above, consider looking in a text of transistor or semiconductor theory...for an electrical engineering curriculum.
 

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