How do I check if the canonical angular momentum is conserved?

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The discussion centers on the conservation of canonical angular momentum, specifically in the context of a purely magnetic Hamiltonian defined as $$ H = \dfrac{1}{2m} (\vec{p} - q\vec{A}) $$. Participants emphasize the need to verify the Hamiltonian's correctness, noting that it should be scalar rather than vectorial. The Poisson bracket between the Hamiltonian and the canonical angular momentum $$ \vec{L} = \vec{r} \times \vec{p} $$ is suggested as a method to determine conservation. Additionally, the proper canonical angular momentum is highlighted as $$ \partial {\mathcal L}/\partial\dot\phi $$, distinguishing it from ordinary orbital angular momentum.

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Specifically given a purely magnetic hamiltonian with some associated vector potential :
$$ H = \dfrac{1}{2m} (\vec{p} - q\vec{A}) $$

How can I deduce if $$ \vec{L} = \vec{r} \times \vec{p}$$ is conserved? ( $$\vec{p} = \dfrac{\partial L}{\partial x'}$$, i.e. the momentum is canonical)
 
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phos19 said:
$$ H = \dfrac{1}{2m} (\vec{p} - q\vec{A}) $$
Are you sure this is the correct Hamiltonian? Normally ##H## is a scalar here, but your RHS is a vector.
phos19 said:
How can I deduce if ## \vec{L} = \vec{r} \times \vec{p}\,## is conserved?
When you've figured out a correct Hamiltonian, you could try computing the Poisson bracket between ##H## and ##\vec{L}## ?

Btw, maybe you really want the proper canonical angular momentum ##\partial {\mathcal L}/\partial\dot\phi##, rather the ordinary orbital angular momentum?
 
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The ## (\vec p - q \vec A)## should be squared
 
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malawi_glenn said:
The ## (\vec p - q \vec A)## should be squared
yes, my mistake
 
strangerep said:
Are you sure this is the correct Hamiltonian? Normally ##H## is a scalar here, but your RHS is a vector.

When you've figured out a correct Hamiltonian, you could try computing the Poisson bracket between ##H## and ##\vec{L}## ?

Btw, maybe you really want the proper canonical angular momentum ##\partial {\mathcal L}/\partial\dot\phi##, rather the ordinary orbital angular momentum?

strangerep said:
Are you sure this is the correct Hamiltonian? Normally ##H## is a scalar here, but your RHS is a vector.

When you've figured out a correct Hamiltonian, you could try computing the Poisson bracket between ##H## and ##\vec{L}## ?

Btw, maybe you really want the proper canonical angular momentum ##\partial {\mathcal L}/\partial\dot\phi##, rather the ordinary orbital angular momentum?
yes ##H## is supposed to be squared. Here ##\vec{L}## is the canonical angular momentum, not the "naive" angular momentum.
 

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