How do I correctly analyze the mass balance of a tractor seat?

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The discussion revolves around analyzing the mass balance of a tractor seat, specifically focusing on a spring-mass-damper system designed to mitigate vibrations affecting the driver’s health. Participants are exploring the dynamics of the system, including the effects of external forces and the appropriate modeling of the components involved.

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  • Participants express confusion regarding the direction and signs in the system's analysis. There are suggestions to establish a clear coordinate system and questions about the implications of extending the spring beyond its relaxed position. Some participants also note the omission of the occupant's mass in the analysis.

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The discussion is active, with participants seeking clarification on the setup and assumptions of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the labeling of the coordinate system and the interpretation of forces, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or solution.

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Homework Statement
The system under consideration is the driver seat of a tractor. Research has shown that excessive
vibrations of the seat during driving adversely affect the driver’s health. In order to reduce
vibrations, the seat is equipped with a shock absorber. This shock absorber can be modelled as a
spring-mass-damper system as shown in Figure 3.
Consider that the driver seat has a certain mass m. Assume that an external input force Fe
acts vertically downwards on the driver’s seat. Denote the spring constant with k and damping
coefficient with c. Write a mathematical model for the driver seat-shock absorber system. What
are the parameters and constants in the model?
Relevant Equations
F =ma
Given is the diagram shown in the context:
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My solution:
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However, the correct solution is
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I am confused with the direction and signs of the system. How would I derive the solution?
Thank you for your help.
 
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Sunwoo Bae said:
I am confused with the direction and signs of the system. How would I derive the solution?
Thank you for your help.
I think for starters you must clearly label/make a coordinate system.
 
Sunwoo Bae said:
Homework Statement: The system under consideration is the driver seat of a tractor. Research has shown that excessive
vibrations of the seat during driving adversely affect the driver’s health. In order to reduce
vibrations, the seat is equipped with a shock absorber. This shock absorber can be modelled as a
spring-mass-damper system as shown in Figure 3.
Consider that the driver seat has a certain mass m. Assume that an external input force Fe
acts vertically downwards on the driver’s seat. Denote the spring constant with k and damping
coefficient with c. Write a mathematical model for the driver seat-shock absorber system. What
are the parameters and constants in the model?
Relevant Equations: F =ma

Given is the diagram shown in the context:
View attachment 353564
My solution:
View attachment 353565

However, the correct solution is
View attachment 353566

I am confused with the direction and signs of the system. How would I derive the solution?
Thank you for your help.
Which way are you taking as positive for y? The book is taking down as positive.
When the spring is extended beyond its relaxed position, does it act to increase or reduce that extension?

Btw, it is very odd to consider the mass of the seat but ignore the mass of the occupant.
 
Sunwoo Bae said:
My solution:
View attachment 353565
A secondary point, but worth mentioning, is that the second derivative of y(t) with respect to t is written as ##\frac {d^2y}{dt^2}## and not as ##\frac {d^2y}{dt}##. Or, more compactly, you could use ##\ddot y##.
 

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