How do i find domain of influnce?

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The discussion revolves around determining the characteristic curve and general solution for a first-order partial differential equation involving the variables x and y, specifically focusing on the equation where the solution is influenced by the initial condition u(x,0) = 1/(1+x^2). Participants are exploring the concept of the domain of influence and how it relates to the solution's definition.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss various forms of the equations and initial conditions, questioning the propagation of initial conditions along characteristics. There are attempts to derive the general and particular solutions, with some participants expressing uncertainty about their results and the domain of influence.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing different approaches and equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the method of characteristics, but there remains uncertainty about the domain of influence and how to demonstrate when the solution is not defined. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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Participants note a lack of coverage on the domain of dependence in their course materials, leading to confusion. There are references to discrepancies between their findings and those presented in textbooks.

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Homework Statement



determine the char. curve and gen. sol. for x[tex]^{3}[/tex] [itex] \frac{\partial{u}}{\partial{x}}[/itex] - [itex] \frac{\partial{u}}{\partial{y}}[/itex] = 0

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find sol and domain of influence when u(x,0) = [tex]\frac{1}{1+x^2}[/tex]

show sol is not defined when y> [tex]\frac{1}{2x^2}[/tex]


The Attempt at a Solution



so [tex]\frac{\partial{y}}{\partial{x}} = \frac{-1}{x^3}[/tex]

and [tex]\frac{\partial{u}}{\partial{x}} = 0[/tex]

which gives u(x,y) = [tex]F( \frac{1}{2x^2} - y)[/tex] is the gen solution right?



then sol. at u(x,0) = [tex]\frac{1}{1+x^2}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{1}{1+x^2}[/tex] = [tex]F( \frac{1}{2x^2} - y)[/tex]
= [tex]F( \frac{1}{2x^2})[/tex]

which gives x = +/- 1 am i right in this? and how do i find domain of influnce?
 
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Much better way to to set:
[tex] \dot{x}=x^{3},\quad\dot{y}=-1\quad\dot{u}=0[/tex]
with the initial condition:
[tex] x(0)=r\quad u(0)=\frac{1}{1+r^{2}}[/tex]
 


i don't understand what you are doing?
 


[tex] <br /> \dot{x}=x^{3},\quad\dot{y}=-1\quad\dot{u}=0<br /> [/tex]

Is that not what i did, then solved [tex] \frac{\dot{y}}{\dot{x}} = \frac{-1}{x^3} [/tex]

but then...
 


From my equations you have:
[tex] -\frac{1}{2x^{2}}=s+r,y=-s,u=\frac{1}{1+r^{2}}[/tex]
so substitute to get u=u(x,y)
 


im getting


[tex] <br /> u(x,y)=\frac{1}{1+(y - \frac{1}{2x^2})^{2}}<br /> [/tex]

but I am still not sure about this, but this is the particular solution right?
 


This is the correct solution, well done.

what happens in first order PDE is that your initial condition is propagated along the characteristics.
 


Thanks hunt_mat for your help, and patiance!

Im still not sure of a few things,
so the characteristics are [tex] <br /> \frac{dx}{dt} = \dot{x}=x^{3}, \frac{dy}{dt}=\dot{y}=-1, \frac{du}{dt}=\dot{u}=0<br /> [/tex]

the general solution is
[tex] u(x,y)=y - \frac{1}{2x^2}[/tex]

and the particular solution is

[tex] u(x,y)=\frac{1}{1+(y - \frac{1}{2x^2})^{2}}[/tex]

but I am not sure to about the domain of influence or how to
show sol is not defined when y> [tex] \frac{1}{2x^2} [/tex]
 


also in the book it gives the solution as u = [tex]\frac{1-2x^2y}{1+x^2-2x^2y}[/tex] which try as i might i cannot seem to make mine fit
 
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Hi, I wrote some notes on the method of characteristics which I have included in this post. It is possible that the book you have is giving you trhe wrong answer, this happens sometimes. I just checked the answer with mathematica and you have the right answer.

What d you understand about domain of dependance?
 

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thanks Mat for the notes, there is a lot of stuff in there that our lecturer hasn't covered yet. I didnt see anything in there about the domain of dependance, and i have nothing in my notes on it either and the more i try to find about it on www the more confused i get...
 
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is the dom. of influ. just?

[tex] <br /> u(x+t,y+t)=\frac{1}{1+((y+t) - \frac{1}{2(x+t)^2})^{2}}<br /> [/tex]
 

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