How do I find tangent lines passing through a given point on a graph?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding tangent lines to specific functions, particularly f(x) = x² and g(x) = 1/x, that pass through designated points. The original poster presents two distinct problems: identifying points on the graph of f(x) = x² where tangent lines intersect the point (5, 0), and demonstrating that no tangent line to g(x) = 1/x can pass through the origin.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the equation of a tangent line and the need to calculate the gradient at specific points. There is an exploration of how to express the tangent line's equation in relation to the points of tangency. Questions arise regarding the implications of the graphs and the behavior of the functions involved, particularly concerning asymptotes and the conditions for tangency.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on formulating the tangent line equations and have pointed out the need for clarity on the derivative concepts. There is an ongoing exploration of the conditions under which tangent lines can pass through specified points, with various interpretations and approaches being discussed. No explicit consensus has been reached regarding the solutions to the problems presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note constraints such as the original poster's uncertainty about relevant equations and the professor's encouragement to think critically about the problems. There is also mention of the need to consider the behavior of the functions at specific points and the implications of asymptotic behavior in relation to tangent lines.

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Homework Statement



A) Find all points on the graph of f(x)=x^2 with tangent lines passing through the point (5,0).

B) Show that no line tangent to g(x)=1/x passes through the origin.

These are problems from a lab problem solving assignment.


Homework Equations



y=mx+b

f`(x) = (f(x+h) - f(x)) / h

Not sure what to put, so excuse those functions if they aren't relevant.


The Attempt at a Solution



Well I understand what each graph looks like, but I am completely clueless as to how to approach this problem. I tried looking to my book for some sort of example, but can't find anything that directly relates to this sort of problem. I imagine the x-coordinates for problem A would have to be greater than 5. That's about as far as I can get. If I ask my professor about any of these problems she simply tells me to "think about it."

Question B:
It is apparent, by looking at the graph, that there is no tangent line that will pass through g(x)=1/x. I don't know how to show that though. There is a horizontal asymptote at y=0 and a vertical asymptote at x=0. So no tangent line could pass through the origin (though it would come very close). How would I show this?
 
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what is the equation of a tangent line, try writing it -

you should be able to calculate the gradient f'(a) (look at thie limit of the equation you posted for the derivative) and you know a point the line passes through (a,f(a))...
 
adillhoff said:

Homework Statement



A) Find all points on the graph of f(x)=x^2 with tangent lines passing through the point (5,0).

B) Show that no line tangent to g(x)=1/x passes through the origin.

These are problems from a lab problem solving assignment.


Homework Equations



y=mx+b

f`(x) = (f(x+h) - f(x)) / h
This is not true. The derivative is the limit of that difference quotient, as h goes to 0. But I suspect that, by the time you are calculating tangent lines, you would be expected to know that the derivative of x2 is 2x.

Not sure what to put, so excuse those functions if they aren't relevant.


The Attempt at a Solution



Well I understand what each graph looks like, but I am completely clueless as to how to approach this problem. I tried looking to my book for some sort of example, but can't find anything that directly relates to this sort of problem. I imagine the x-coordinates for problem A would have to be greater than 5. That's about as far as I can get. If I ask my professor about any of these problems she simply tells me to "think about it."
You want the line to pass through (5, 0) so 0= m(5)+ b or b= -5m. You can write the equation as y= mx- 5m= m(x- 5). Now, the problem is you don't know where that line is tangent to y= x2. Let's just call that point (a, a2) so x= a. To be tangent at (a, a2) the line must pass through that point so those x and y values must satisfy the equation: a2= m(a- 5). At that point, the derivative, which is the slope of the tangent line, is 2a. Now you know you must have a2= (2a)(a- 5). Solve that equation for a and you can write out the equation of the tangent line.
The problem said "find all points" so there may be more than one answer.

Question B:
It is apparent, by looking at the graph, that there is no tangent line that will pass through g(x)=1/x. I don't know how to show that though. There is a horizontal asymptote at y=0 and a vertical asymptote at x=0. So no tangent line could pass through the origin (though it would come very close). How would I show this?
Pretty much the same thing. Any line passing through the origin is of the form y= mx. Suppose such a line were tangent to y= 1/x at (a, 1/a). Then it must pass through that line: 1/a= ma. Further, m must be the derivative of 1/x at x=a. What is that derivative?
 
HallsofIvy said:
This is not true. The derivative is the limit of that difference quotient, as h goes to 0. But I suspect that, by the time you are calculating tangent lines, you would be expected to know that the derivative of x2 is 2x.

I meant to put lim:x->h before the formula. Proofreading ftw.


HallsofIvy said:
You want the line to pass through (5, 0) so 0= m(5)+ b or b= -5m. You can write the equation as y= mx- 5m= m(x- 5). Now, the problem is you don't know where that line is tangent to y= x2. Let's just call that point (a, a2) so x= a. To be tangent at (a, a2) the line must pass through that point so those x and y values must satisfy the equation: a2= m(a- 5). At that point, the derivative, which is the slope of the tangent line, is 2a. Now you know you must have a2= (2a)(a- 5). Solve that equation for a and you can write out the equation of the tangent line.
The problem said "find all points" so there may be more than one answer.

The way you explained it made a lot more sense. I came up with y=10x-50. This line would pass through (5,0). I don't believe there are any other tangent lines on this graph that would also pass through (5,0). I guess you could take the line tangent to y=0 as well. It passes through all points, x.


HallsofIvy said:
Pretty much the same thing. Any line passing through the origin is of the form y= mx. Suppose such a line were tangent to y= 1/x at (a, 1/a). Then it must pass through that line: 1/a= ma. Further, m must be the derivative of 1/x at x=a. What is that derivative?

I sort of get it. I am sure it's easier than I am making it out to be in my head. I always overcomplicate a problem. The derivative for 1/x is -1/x^2. If we are working with (a, 1/a), would the formula be 1/a = (-1/x^2)(a)+b?

Thank you for the replies.
 

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