How do I integrate inverse root functions in calc 2?

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The discussion revolves around integrating the function involving an inverse root, specifically the integral of \(\sqrt{\frac{1}{x}}\). Participants are exploring methods and reasoning related to this calculus problem.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of the power rule for integration and the simplification of the integrand. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between different forms of the integral and the results obtained from calculators.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes various interpretations of the integral and its simplifications. Some participants express confusion about the results they obtain, while others suggest revisiting the algebra involved. There is an acknowledgment of the importance of understanding the underlying concepts rather than relying solely on calculators.

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Participants mention the need for clarity in algebraic manipulation and the potential for misunderstanding when using calculators for integration and differentiation. There is also a reference to the original poster's struggle with the problem, indicating a learning process in progress.

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I am taking calc 2 and I think we just finished up all the different ways of integrating, yet I can't figure this seemingly very simple one out. Any help is greatly appriciated.o:)

[tex]\int\sqrt\frac{1}{x}dx[/tex]
 
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Hint: You know this
[tex]\int x ^ {\alpha} dx = \frac{x ^ {\alpha + 1}}{\alpha + 1} + C, \quad \alpha \neq -1[/tex], right?
[tex]\int \sqrt{\frac{1}{x}} dx = \int \frac{dx}{\sqrt{x}} = \int x ^ {-\frac{1}{2}} dx = ?[/tex]
Can you go from here? :)
 
sure, but when I try that, the answer does not work. That yeilds:
[tex]2\sqrt{x}[/tex]

I know the area under the curve already, and when I use [tex]2\sqrt{x}[/tex] in the definite integral, it does not give the correct area.
 
I think the answer should be:
[tex]2x\sqrt{1/x}[/tex]
but I am not sure how to get there.
 
silverdiesel said:
I think the answer should be:
[tex]2x\sqrt{1/x}[/tex]
but I am not sure how to get there.

Ummm... but that is equivalent to [tex]2\sqrt{x}[/tex]
 
silverdiesel said:
sure, but when I try that, the answer does not work. That yeilds:
[tex]2\sqrt{x}[/tex]

I know the area under the curve already, and when I use [tex]2\sqrt{x}[/tex] in the definite integral, it does not give the correct area.
May you tell me the whole problem? To me, that's correct.
Just a small error there: You forgot to add the constant of integration (i.e, + C) into your result...
 
although it is really quite confusing because when I use my calculator to integrate [tex]\int\sqrt{\frac{1}{x}}[/tex], it gives the [tex]2x\sqrt{\frac{1}{x}}[/tex]. Yet, when I use the calculator to differentiate [tex]2x\sqrt{\frac{1}{x}}[/tex], it does not give me [tex]\int\sqrt{\frac{1}{x}}[/tex]. Unless, it gives it in a more complicated form that I have yet to work back to the original.
 
d_leet said:
Ummm... but that is equivalent to [tex]2\sqrt{x}[/tex]

can you explain? Could be that my algebra is lacking.
 
silverdiesel said:
although it is really quite confusing because when I use my calculator to integrate [tex]\int\sqrt{\frac{1}{x}}[/tex], it gives the [tex]2x\sqrt{\frac{1}{x}}[/tex]. Yet, when I use the calculator to differentiate [tex]2x\sqrt{\frac{1}{x}}[/tex], it does not give me [tex]\int\sqrt{\frac{1}{x}}[/tex]. Unless, it gives it in a more complicated form that I have yet to work back to the original.

What are you talking about? Could you restate this a bit more clearly.
 
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silverdiesel said:
can you explain? Could be that my algebra is lacking.

the square root of 1/x is the square root of 1 divided by the square root of x, which is equal to 1 over the square root of x, and x divided by the square root of x is the square root of x, multiply that times 2 and you get 2 times the square root of x.
 
  • #11
silverdiesel said:
can you explain? Could be that my algebra is lacking.
Okay, one suggestion, though. Please don't rely heavily on calculators, and you can try do it by pen and paper, right?
[tex]2x \sqrt{\frac{1}{x}} = 2(\sqrt{x}) ^ 2 \frac{1}{\sqrt{x}} = 2 \sqrt{x}[/tex]. Assuming that x >= 0. Can you get this? :)
 
  • #12
okay, nevermind,

[tex]2\sqrt{x}[/tex]

does work in the definite integral... and so it is the correct solution. Maybe it is time for me to go to bed.

Thanks for the help, I really appreciate it!
 
  • #13
bit drunk

bit drunk but
[tex]\int\sqrt\frac{1}{x}dx[/tex]
equals
[tex]2 \sqrt{\frac{1}{x}}x[/tex]
 
  • #14
by the way, what's the proof for this inverse root? I swear I knew it at one time.

[tex]\int \frac{dx}{(x^2 + a^2)^{3/2}}=\frac{x}{a^2 \sqrt{x^2 + a^2}}[/tex]
 
  • #15
I can't believe this thread went on for as long as it did without the OP realizing that the integrand could be greatly simplified.
[tex]\sqrt{\frac{1}{x}}~=~\frac{\sqrt{1}}{\sqrt{x}}~=~\frac{1}{x^{1/2}}~=~x^{-1/2}[/tex]

So the antiderivative requires nothing more than an application of the power rule.
 
  • #16
wow.

3 years later, and yes, I think I've finally figured it out.

So, I am sitting at my desk trying to wrap my mind around the Kroneker Delta and the Levi-Civita Symbol. I do a google search for info, and a thread on my old friend, the Physics Forums pops up. I click the link, read it, (it did not help), I move on. Now, a few hours later I get an email about a response to a thread I posted three years ago.

I am guessing PF recognized me and made my account active again.

Anyhow... yeah, I got that one figured out. Funny how it seems so simple once you "speak" math. But when your just learning, the leap from x/root(x) to root(x) can be evasive.
 

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