How do I measure the irradiance of a particular wavelength?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around measuring the irradiance of a specific wavelength of light focused onto a solar panel. Participants explore experimental setups, measurement techniques, and the implications of using different light sources and filters.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant, Dilan, expresses interest in measuring how filtered red light affects the power output of a solar panel and questions how to measure irradiance at a specific wavelength.
  • Another participant suggests measuring the transmission spectrum of filters, especially if using non-commercial materials like cellophane.
  • It is noted that irradiance is typically measured in W·m-2, but spectral irradiance may involve more complex units like W·nm-1 or W·m-2·nm-1.
  • Using LEDs instead of filters is proposed as a potentially simpler and cost-effective method to achieve a known spectrum for testing the solar panel.
  • Concerns are raised about whether the power output from multiple LEDs would be sufficient to effectively illuminate a large solar panel.
  • Participants discuss the practicality of testing a single solar cell instead of a large panel, as the latter may have parts that do not contribute to power generation.
  • Suggestions are made to check data sheets for LED power requirements to ensure adequate illumination for testing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of measuring irradiance and the potential use of LEDs, but there is uncertainty regarding the adequacy of LED power for larger solar panels and the effectiveness of different filtering methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various methods and materials for filtering light and measuring irradiance, but there are unresolved questions about the best approach and the specific requirements for effective experimentation.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for high school students or hobbyists interested in solar energy experiments, particularly those exploring the relationship between light wavelength and solar panel output.

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I am still a high school student and I want to do an experiment on a solar panel. I want filter out red light and then focus is it onto a solar panel and measure various intensities and how it relates to the variation of power output from the solar panel.
For this I suppose I should measure the irradiance. But I am not exactly sure on how to do this. Because I am measuring the Irradiance of a particular wavelength does the unit W·m−2 change?
I actually haven't got a good knowledge in this field, but if anyone is kind enough to provide me a link to learn more about this field, I would be really thankful.

Thanks a lot.
Dilan
 
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dilan said:
I am still a high school student and I want to do an experiment on a solar panel. I want filter out red light and then focus is it onto a solar panel and measure various intensities and how it relates to the variation of power output from the solar panel.
For this I suppose I should measure the irradiance. But I am not exactly sure on how to do this. Because I am measuring the Irradiance of a particular wavelength does the unit W·m−2 change?
I actually haven't got a good knowledge in this field, but if anyone is kind enough to provide me a link to learn more about this field, I would be really thankful.

Thanks a lot.
Dilan

Cool project.
For irradiance, check out:
http://rredc.nrel.gov/solar/spectra/am1.5/ASTMG173/ASTMG173.html

Here are a few books:
1) Jenny Nelson. (2003). The Physics of Solar Cells. Imperial College Press, Covent Garden, London.
2) Harold J. Hovel. (1975). Semiconductors and Semimetals. Academic Press, New York, New York.
3) Antonio Luque, Steven Hegedus. (2003). Handbook of Photovoltaic Science and Engineering. John Wiley & Sons, Hoboken, NJ.

I highly recommend using (3). If you have access to a university library, you can check out an eBook copy.

(1) is a very difficult read - it's grad level.
(2) FANTASTIC book. I would also get this.

I don't know how long this link will be up:
http://www.eas.asu.edu/~roedel/eee498s07/index.html

but take a look at "Analytical Paper - Solar Cell Operation"
 
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Sounds like an interesting project, here are a couple of suggestions.

Depending on what you are using to filter the incoming light, you may want to consider measuring the transmission spectrum of your filters. Good quality commercial filters will have the transmission spectrum supplied to you, in which case this won't be necessary, but if you are using something crude like cellophane, a direct measurement would be very useful.

Typically to measure irradiance you simply take a power measurement and divide it by the area of your detector. There are a number of different detectors you can use, thermocouples and PIN photodiodes are probably the most common.

The units you should use should be W.m^-2 as per usual. You may come across something called the spectral power or spectral irradiance if you do some reading, which will have gnarly units like W.nm^-1 or W.m^-2.nm^-1 - something like that - this unit is essentially power (or irradiance) as a function of wavelength, with the integral of the curve being the total power (or irradiance) across all wavelengths. Since you are inevitably integrating over a finite bandwidth, you should continue to use W.m^-2.

Claude.
 
If you are trying to measure spectral response of the solar panel. Then different color LEDs could be a possibility instead of filters. You could get a fair idea of the output intensity from the data sheets for the devices.
 
That's a good idea, using LEDs, I would say that would be the cheapest way in fact to get a known spectrum going into your solar cell.

Claude.
 
thanks

hi,
Thanks a lot guys, really helpful.
Claude, yes as you have mentioned I am going to use cellophane (or glass paper). I've searched for 1 week in my country for colour filters and couldn't find any. Even to find a solar panel it was really difficult, but I managed to get a panel that's of dimentions 46cm *29.5cm. The only solution for this would be LEDs, but I am not sure whether the power of LEDs will be enough for a fairly large solar panel. Using LEDs will give me precision, but I was wondering whether the power given of by a lot of LEDs will be enough for me to collect sufficient data. :frown:
 
Large panels like the one you have, are a collection of single solar cells. For purposes of testing it will far easier to illuminate a single cell (a few cm^2) than a panel as the parts of the panel that don't get illuminated will just be resistors and diode drops.
A few LEDs will cover a single cell, but for the panel you have it might be hundreds.

You can work out the LED power requirements from the data sheets.
 
NoTime said:
Large panels like the one you have, are a collection of single solar cells. For purposes of testing it will far easier to illuminate a single cell (a few cm^2) than a panel as the parts of the panel that don't get illuminated will just be resistors and diode drops.
A few LEDs will cover a single cell, but for the panel you have it might be hundreds.

You can work out the LED power requirements from the data sheets.

They are designed to withstand the environment. I have heard that they can be quite difficult to take apart, so be careful.
 
You can buy a single cell for a couple $ or salvage some from somthing like an old solar calculator
 

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