Converting Lux to W/m^2 for Solar Radiation Measurement

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of converting lux measurements to watts per square meter (W/m²) for solar radiation, specifically in the context of using a light meter for a physics project involving diffraction gratings. Participants explore the relationship between light wavelength and the conversion factors between these two units of measurement.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the existence of a direct conversion between lux and W/m², citing that different wavelengths of light (such as IR or UV) do not contribute to lux measurements.
  • Others argue that since the wavelength of the light in question is 550 nm, a conversion could be reasonable, referencing the luminosity function.
  • One participant suggests that the conversion factor for 550 nm light is approximately 683 lux per W/m², indicating that the conversion is dependent on the wavelength.
  • Another participant emphasizes that 550 nm is in the green part of the spectrum, not red, and questions the accuracy of the original claim regarding the laser's wavelength.
  • Some participants provide additional context about the peak sensitivity of the human eye at 555 nm and how this affects the conversion factors.
  • There is mention of varying conversion factors for solar radiation due to different conditions such as time of day and atmospheric conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the conversion from lux to W/m². There are competing views regarding the validity of the conversion based on the wavelength of light and the implications of using different light sources.

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Limitations include the dependence on the specific wavelength of light and the variability of conversion factors based on environmental conditions. The discussion highlights the need for clarity regarding the definitions and assumptions involved in the conversion process.

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Need help to convert Lux into W/m^2 (is it even possible?).

If not, how else can I measure intensity of light which would give me a result in W/m^2?
For a physics project, I'm planning to investigate the relationship between the number of slits in a diffraction grating and the intensity of the central maxima. The light meter which I'm planning to use to measure the intensity gives me a result in LUX.

I know the wavelength of the red laser light which I'm using is approximately 550 nm. I'm wondering if it's at all possible to use a conversion to change the lux value in W/m^2?

If not, is there any other way I could possibly measure the intensity of the central maxima that would give me a result in w/m^2?

Thank you so much.
 
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What makes you think there is such a conversion? If I had a zillion watts per m2 of IR or UV on a surface, I'd still have zero lumens (and therefore lux).
 
Vanadium 50 said:
What makes you think there is such a conversion? If I had a zillion watts per m2 of IR or UV on a surface, I'd still have zero lumens (and therefore lux).

The OP says the light in question is 550nm so a conversion is reasonable.
 
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hutchphd said:
The OP says the light in question is 550nm so a conversion is reasonable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminosity_function

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hutchphd said:
The OP says the light in question is 550nm

Ah...missed that.
 
SilverSparrow said:
Summary:: Need help to convert Lux into W/m^2 (is it even possible?).I know the wavelength of the red laser light which I'm using is approximately 550 nm. I'm wondering if it's at all possible to use a conversion to change the lux value in W/m^2?

One needs to include the value of the photometric curve at (eye sensitivity) at 650nm. I point out that 550nm light is not red! I assume you mean 650 ??
 
SilverSparrow said:
I know the wavelength of the red laser light which I'm using is approximately 550 nm. I'm wondering if it's at all possible to use a conversion to change the lux value in W/m^2?
If the wavelength stays the same, the conversion is a constant factor, therefore either lux or W/m2 should be suitable for comparing different intensity measurements. Why do you specifically need W/m2?
 
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I thought I could help the OP using information from the Wiki article linked by @berkeman . It says

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Aha, that number 683.002 looks like a luminosity to power conversion factor, so I googled that. LOL, The Internet sometimes takes us in strange directions. Here is the results I got for 683.002.

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  • But it finally found the right one.
Lux - Wikipedia
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lux
For monochromatic light of this wavelength, the amount of illuminance for a given amount of irradiance is maximum: 683.002 lux per 1 W/m 2; the irradiance needed to make 1 lux at this wavelength is about 1.464 mW/m 2. Other wavelengths of visible light produce fewer lux per watt-per-meter-squared.
 
SilverSparrow said:
Summary:: Need help to convert Lux into W/m^2 (is it even possible?).

If not, how else can I measure intensity of light which would give me a result in W/m^2?

I know the wavelength of the red laser light which I'm using is approximately 550 nm.

I seriously doubt it, 550nm is in the green part of the spectrum. Shorter wavelength than red
Did you really mean to say "my green laser" ?

Red lasers are usually around the 633nm
 
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The peak of the luminosity function is at 555 nm (green); the eye’s visual system is more sensitive to light of this wavelength than any other. For monochromatic light of this wavelength, the irradiance needed to make one lux is minimum, at 1.464 mW/m2.

That is, one obtains 683.002 lux per W/m2 (or lumens per watt) at this wavelength. Other wavelengths of visible light produce fewer lumens per watt.

Solar Radiation is a shorter wave length and different color spectrum, so it has a different factor of Lux to W/m2:

Bright sunlight is approximately 136000 lux = 1075 W/m2 = 126.7

The factor changes slightly depending on time of day, conditions such as cloud cover, moisture in the air etc. and most sources agree on the 126.7 as a reasonable factor to use.

The conversion in the green visible light spectrum spectrum at 555nm is 1W/m2 = 683 lux, and is used of human eyes.

Some of our weather stations allow to calibrate the gain to whatever light spectrum you wish to base solar radiation on.
 

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