Photometric and Radiometric measurement concepts

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of photometric and radiometric measurements in electronic sensors, particularly focusing on how to convert sensor outputs (analog/digital) into relevant quantities such as wavelength, irradiance, and illuminance. Participants explore the use of CCD and CMOS technologies in the visible spectrum and seek generic formulae or functions for these conversions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about generic formulae for converting sensor outputs into photometric or radiometric quantities.
  • Another participant suggests that knowledge of the spectral response of the devices is essential for such conversions.
  • A participant discusses the graphical representation of wavelength versus responsivity and seeks clarification on how to utilize this information.
  • There is a suggestion that the sensor detects in specific bands with gaps in detection, and the black line in the provided graph may represent the sensor's spectral response.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the interpretation of the spectral response curve, suggesting it may include specific filters.
  • A later reply mentions that calculating radiometric quantities can be straightforward using the spectral input radiation and detector sensitivity.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for the spectral content of illumination to perform calculations based solely on voltage/current outputs.
  • There is a request for references or texts that might contain relevant formulae for the desired measurements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the spectral response curve and the necessity of knowing the spectral content of illumination for calculations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the availability of generic formulae and the specific methods for utilizing sensor outputs.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependency on the spectral response of the sensors and the spectral content of the illumination, which are not fully established in the discussion.

Aditya Mittal
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Hello,
I am trying to understand the concepts of photometric and radiometric measurements in an electronic sensor. Various photo sensors based on CCD (Charged Coupled Devices) or CMOS photo diode array technology are available in the market for measurements in Visible Spectrum. Now I want to know if there are any generic formulae or functions available to convert the sensor output (analog/digital) into relevant photometric or radiometric quantity such as wavelength or irradiance or Illuminance etc.
 
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Without knowing the spectral response of those devices to the whole radiometric interval that you want to measure, I don't think that's possible...
 
You mean to say the graphical representation between Wavelength (nm) - x-axis and Responsivity (A/W) - y axis. This information is normally given in data sheet for a particular sensor. So how do I use that information to get the parameters that I need? I have also attached the sample spectral response curve for a typical sensor.
 

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If I understand it correctly, that sensor detects in eight bands from 400 to 700 nm. Between those extreme wavelengths there are gaps with no detection. And, for wavelengths longer than 700 nm, the sensor simply doesn't work at all. The black line in the graphic is probably the transmittance of the sensor's window...
 
NTW said:
If I understand it correctly, that sensor detects in eight bands from 400 to 700 nm. Between those extreme wavelengths there are gaps with no detection. And, for wavelengths longer than 700 nm, the sensor simply doesn't work at all. The black line in the graphic is probably the transmittance of the sensor's window...

I don't think so. I think the black curve is the sensor's spectral response. The colored lines look like specific filters that are used when you want to view only a specific part of the spectrum.
 
Aditya Mittal said:
Now I want to know if there are any generic formulae or functions available to convert the sensor output (analog/digital) into relevant photometric or radiometric quantity such as wavelength or irradiance or Illuminance etc.

There are. I'll try to find my book on astronomical image processing and see what it says about this. I'm willing to bet it has it in there.
 
Aditya Mittal said:
You mean to say the graphical representation between Wavelength (nm) - x-axis and Responsivity (A/W) - y axis. This information is normally given in data sheet for a particular sensor. So how do I use that information to get the parameters that I need? I have also attached the sample spectral response curve for a typical sensor.

Calculating the radiometric quantities (W received, etc) is straightforward from the graph- You start by specifying the (spectral) input radiation, multiply by the (spectral) detector sensitivity and you're basically done.

Calculating the photometric quantities proceeds similarly, but you also multiply the eye's spectral response curve (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photometry_(optics)#mediaviewer/File:Luminosity.png) to the above calculation to convert watts into lumens.

Is that what you want to do?
 
@Andy Resnick - Yes that is true that I want to measure radiometric and photometric quantities from the sensor output. The output of the sensor is preferentially in Volts or Ampere and at most it could be an input to an ADC to get the digital output which can be read by a micro controller section in the circuitry. Now I am still unable to utilize that sensor output.
@Drakkith - It would really be of great help to me if there are any such formulae available in any of the text references that you might have.
@NTW - The response posted by '@Drakkith' is correct to your comment.

In general I want to design a light meter for photopic and scotopic illuminance, EVE factor, luminous color, color rendering index, luminous spectrum. For that I need to first focus on sensor interface and how the output from sensor could be utilized for this.
Also let me know in case you would like to have any other inputs from my end regarding this.
 
If you don't have access to the spectral content of your illumination and all you have is the voltage/current output of the sensor, there is no way to perform your calculation.
 

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