How do I size a hydraulic motor to fit a 12 propeller to move water?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around sizing a hydraulic motor to effectively drive a 12" propeller for a water pump application. Participants explore the design considerations, efficiency losses in power conversion, and the specific requirements of pumping water against varying dynamic heads in a levee structure.

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Main Points Raised

  • Steve outlines his setup involving a 35 HP diesel motor driving a hydraulic pump, seeking advice on motor sizing for a water pump with a 12" propeller.
  • One participant notes the potential efficiency losses when converting power from one form to another, raising a question about the specifics of the pumping mechanism.
  • Steve describes the operational scenario where water accumulates inside a levee and needs to be pumped out when the river rises, detailing the conditions under which the flap gate closes.
  • Another participant provides specifications for a hydraulic motor, including displacement and maximum pressure, and discusses the relationship between revolutions per minute and flow rate.
  • Steve inquires about the feasibility of using a standard boat propeller and seeks information on the water moved per revolution of the propeller.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the efficiency of the hydraulic system and the specifics of the propeller design, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the calculations related to flow rates and propeller efficiency, and there are assumptions regarding the operational conditions that have not been explicitly stated.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in hydraulic systems, water pump design, and those working on projects involving fluid dynamics in levee structures may find this discussion relevant.

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How do I size a hydraulic motor to fit a 12" propeller to move water?

I have a 35 HP diesel motor direct driving a hydraulic pump producing 16 GPM at 2000 psi. The hydraulic pump would be connected with hoses to a water pump inserted in a pipe.

I want to design/build a water pump using a 12" or larger propellor attached to a hydraulic motor inserted in a tube. This pump would be attached to a larger smooth bore pipe inserted in an earthen levee, pushing against a varying total dynamic head from 1 foot up to 18 feet.

I see many hydraulic motors for sale at Grainger.com that describes the motors based on displacement. What is the largest motor I can put in this design to move the greatest amount of water in the shortest period of time?

I'm not an engineer or a physicist, just a man with a plan! Thanks in advance for your help.

Steve K
 
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Hi Steve,
Surplus Center.com will have better prices than Grainger. The only reservation I have about this plan is the fact that every time you change power from one form into another yoiu lose efficiency.

"pushing against a varying total dynamic head from 1 foot up to 18 feet. "

Pertinent question: Are you pumping water through your pipe into the bottom of this reservoir through a check valve?
I hope to have some time to do a little calculating this evening.
 


Thanks for your speedy reply. Here's the scenario; I want to pump water that accumulates inside the levee structure into the river, when the flap gate to the tube is shut because of rising water. As the river rises, when it gets about 2 feet over the tube it closes and the gravity drainage is stopped. The river can continue to rise up to 18 feet over the tube. At 19 feet over the tube, the levee is overtopped and drainage is not necessary, you might say!
 


Also, thanks for the tip on Surplus Center, I'll check that out. I'm looking at a motor that uses 11.9 cu in/revolution, max pressure 3000 psi, max rpm 477, with a shaft size of 1.25 in. diameter. According to my calculations, producing 16 gpm should get me about 300 revolutions a minute. Now, I know that the pitch on the blades can vary, is it possible to use a standard prop off a large boat to move the water, and how much water is moved per revolution of the prop?
 

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