How do I solve for dP/dz in the ideal gas law using mass and density?

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The discussion revolves around applying the ideal gas law to derive a differential equation related to pressure in a mixture of gases, specifically dry air. The original poster attempts to calculate the mass of a mole of dry air and express the density in terms of pressure, temperature, and molecular mass, ultimately aiming to show that the pressure satisfies the equation dP/dz = -mgP/kT.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the mass of dry air and the relationship between density, pressure, and temperature. The original poster raises questions about the role of the number of moles in the derivation and whether to assume one mole of air. Others suggest clarifying definitions of mass and moles in the context of the ideal gas law.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the variables involved in the ideal gas law. Some guidance has been offered regarding the definitions of mass and moles, but there is no explicit consensus on how to proceed with the derivation.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of the ideal gas law and its application to a mixture of gases, with specific attention to the definitions of intensive and extensive variables. There is an emphasis on ensuring clarity in the use of terms related to moles and mass.

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Homework Statement



Calculate the mass of a mole of dry air, which is mixture of N2(78 percent by volume, O2 (21 percent) and argon (1 percent).

Use the ideal gas law to write the density of air in terms of pressure, temperature , and the average mass of the air molecules. Show , then, that the pressure obeys the differential equation

dP/dz=-mgP/kT

Homework Equations



PV=nkT

The Attempt at a Solution



m(total)=.78(28 grams)+.21(16 grams)+.01(40 grams)= 29 grams

rho=m/V , from Ideal gas law, V=nKT/P ==> rho=m*P/nkT


I am having difficulties with show that dP/dz=-mgP/kT. I know other thread on the ideal gas law problem concerning the same problem I said that dP/dz=-rho*g. and I know that rho=mP/nkT, therefore I guess dP/dz=rho*g=mgP/nkT. The only problem is how would I get rid of n? Should I assume that they are talking about one mole of air and therefore n=1?
 
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you just need to be careful about your definition of m and n.
 
turin said:
you just need to be careful about your definition of m and n.

what do you mean?
 
There is a number of moles and there is a number of molecules. There is a molar mass and a molecular mass. In your equations, which ones are you using? You don't have to choose a particular number of moles in order to get the answer. You need to write the ideal gas law entirely in terms intensive variables and constants.
 

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