How Do P(x) and Q(x) Affect the Bounds of Function γ(x)?

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The discussion revolves around determining the bounds of a function γ(x) defined in terms of two other functions, P(x) and Q(x), which are characterized as increasing and decreasing, respectively, over a specified interval. The original poster seeks to find the minimum and maximum values of γ(x) based on the values of P and Q at the endpoints of the interval.

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  • Participants explore inequalities related to P(x) and Q(x) based on their increasing and decreasing nature, respectively. There is discussion about how different assumptions regarding the types of functions (linear, exponential) may affect the outcomes. Some participants express confusion about the implications of the values of P(a), P(b), Q(a), and Q(b) being positive or negative.

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There is an ongoing exploration of various cases and assumptions regarding the functions P(x) and Q(x). Some participants have suggested that different cases need to be considered, while others have noted that the lack of specific values for P and Q complicates the determination of bounds for γ(x). The original poster has clarified missing information, which has shifted the focus of the discussion towards positive values of the functions.

Contextual Notes

Participants have noted that the functions P(x) and Q(x) are constrained to the first quadrant, which affects the analysis of their values. There is also a recognition that the functions cannot be zero within the interval due to implications for certain expressions involving γ(x).

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Homework Statement



P(x) is an increasing function and Q(x) is a decreasing function in interval a ≤x≤b. Another function γ(x) satisfies m≤γ(x)≤M.
Find m and M in terms of P(a), P(b), Q(a), and Q(b) if:
a. γ(x) = P(x) . Q(x)
b. γ(x) = [P(x)]2 – [Q(x)]2
c. γ(x) = 1/P(X) +Q(x)
d. γ(x)= (P(x))/(Q(x))-(Q(x))/(P(x))


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Since P(x) is an increasing function, what inequalities can you form with P(x),P(a) and P(b)? And with Q(x),Q(a) and Q(b)?
 


i think i can get P(a) ≤ P(x) ≤ P(b) and Q(b) ≤ Q(x) ≤ Q(a)

but I'm confused because i don't know the value of P(a), P(b), Q(b), Q(a). it can be positive or negative.

if P(x) is exponential function Q(x) is linear, then the maximum value can be P(b).Q(b), if Q(b) is positive
but if the value of Q(b) is negative, then P(b).Q(b) can be the minimum value

and i think it will be different if i take P(x) and Q(x) both linear functions, or any other functions...
 
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It looks like you will have to distinguish between different cases. So assume first, for example, that all values are positive, then work out the other cases where different endpoint values are negative.
 


and i also have to work on different assumption of function?

like if i take P(x) and Q(x) linear, then i take P(x) linear and Q(x) exponential
 


You shouldn't have to do that.
 


but i think it will be different. I and my friends had tried it and we got different answers. I assume that P(x) is linear and Q(x) is exponential and my friend assume that both are linear.

in my opinion, P(x) is increasing doesn't mean that the value of P(x) will be greater than Q(x) which is decreasing function, so we can't say that Q(a) less than P(a).
 


Hi everyone

I think my question hasn't been answered yet so I'm asking for more help. I re-read my question and found out that there is missing information about the question. I'm really sorry about it. Because I can't edit the post, I will re-state the question.

Question :
P(x) is an increasing function and Q(x) is a decreasing function in interval a ≤x≤b, where P(x) and Q(x) lie on the first quadrant. Another function γ(x) satisfies m≤γ(x)≤M.
Find m and M in terms of P(a), P(b), Q(a), and Q(b) if:
a. γ(x) = P(x) . Q(x)
b. γ(x) = [P(x)]^2 – [Q(x)]^2
c. γ(x) = 1/P(X) +Q(x)
d. γ(x)= (P(x))/(Q(x))-(Q(x))/(P(x))

*the hightlight part is the information that I missed before. Sorry :rolleyes:


So, my work which take the negative and positive value of P(x) and Q(x) into consideration is out of the way because both function are always positive.
But I still think that m and M can't be determined unless we know what kind of function P(x) and Q(x) are. (linear or exponential or others )

Even for both P(x) and Q(x) are linear, the answer still can't be determined. Assume P(a) = 2, P(b) = 4, Q(a) = 4, and Q(b) = 2. Then for γ(x) = P(x) . Q(x) , P(a).Q(a) = 8 and P(b)*Q(b)=8.
The result will be different if we assume P(a) = 1, P(b) = 1000, Q(a) = 4, Q(b) = 2

And I think P(x) and Q(x) can't be zero in that interval because the (c) and (d) questions will have zero denominator.

That's all that I can come up with for now

Thanks a lot and once again, Sorry
 

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