How do PLL work (for example 565 IC)

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The discussion centers around Phase-Locked Loops (PLLs), specifically the workings of the 565 IC. Participants seek to understand the fundamental concepts, applications, and resources for learning about PLLs, including tutorials and practical experimentation.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty with PLLs and requests resources for better understanding.
  • Another participant shares a specific book as a valuable resource and suggests practical experimentation with a PLL, mentioning the LM567 and its application in ultrasonic communication.
  • A participant explains the analogy between PLLs and operational amplifiers, highlighting the role of reference frequencies and phase differences in their operation.
  • There is a request for Java applet links related to PLLs.
  • A later reply elaborates on the relationship between PLLs and control theory, emphasizing the importance of understanding feedback loops and phase discriminators in PLL functionality.
  • The discussion includes the mention of software PLLs in digital signal processing (DSP) applications.

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Participants share various perspectives on the functioning and applications of PLLs, but no consensus is reached on specific methodologies or resources. The discussion remains exploratory with multiple viewpoints presented.

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Some participants reference concepts from control theory and feedback mechanisms, indicating that a deeper understanding of these areas may be necessary to fully grasp PLLs. There are also mentions of specific components like phase discriminators and voltage-controlled oscillators, which may require further clarification.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in electronics, signal processing, and control systems, particularly those seeking foundational knowledge about PLLs and their applications.

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Hi PF,
PLL was always a beast for me to tame. I lost a job bcoz of PLL question in interview.
I wanted to know what a PLL is, how it works and what is it for etc? At least can one suggest easy tutorials pdf or good links , books etc.

-Devanand T
 
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Here's where i learned. It's that book that Digoff posted a photo of a few days ago. You need it in your library.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/55127135/1972-Signetics-PLL-Applications#download


I suggest breadboarding a PLL, i think LM567 is still around.
Fire up your oscillator and watch some capture transients on a dual trace scope. Use chop mode so you can see it synch. The darn things are so much fun they're really addictive.
I used them for ultrasonic communication over a PA system so as to not interfere with audio conversation...

old jim
 
Thank you sir,... Let me go through it :)
 
You understand how op amps work don't you? A PLL is similar to an op amp except that it works with frequencies instead of voltages.

For instance with an op amp you may have a reference voltage applied to the non-inverting input (+I) and an output voltage that is the gain of the op amp times the difference between +I and -I.

With PLLs it is similar. You apply a reference frequency at one input and you get a output voltage that is proportional to the phase difference between the two inputs. The output voltage can be used to control the frequency of a variable frequency oscillator whose output frequency is fed back to the other input of the PLL. Simple phase comparitors can be made from an XOR gate or an RS flip flop. By dividing down the frequency of the VFO, a PLL can be used to create frequencies higher than the reference frequency.
 
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Thanks for your reply... Is there any good java applet links for PLL.
 
skeptic2 said:
You understand how op amps work don't you? A PLL is similar to an op amp except that it works with frequencies instead of voltages.

the one thing that needs to be mentioned is that the op-amp has this thing called a "differential amplifier" which, essentially, measures the difference between voltages. and then the op-amp circuit with negative feedback will do something to drive that voltage difference to zero.

this concept of using negative feedback to force to zero some "error signal", which is the difference between what you have and what you want (what your target is), that whole idea is essentially what control systems or control theory is all about. so really understanding a PLL requires understanding something about control theory and feedback loops.

a PLL must have a component called a phase discriminator that measures the difference between the phases of two waveforms of virtually the same frequency. and the PLL needs something called a voltage-controlled oscillator (or VCO) to convert a voltage into a frequency. then remember frequency is the derivative of the changing phase. that means there is an added integrator that goes into the control loop.

conceptually, especially of the waveforms are sinusoids, the phase discriminator need only be a simple multiplier with a low-pass filter. nowadays, people write software PLLs in a few different applications of DSP.
 

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