How Do Quantum Numbers Relate to Electron Count in Quantum Dots?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between quantum numbers and electron count in quantum dots, specifically how to determine the quantum numbers \( n \) and \( l \) for a given number of electrons. Participants explore the application of spherical Bessel functions and energy level spacing in the context of quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a scenario involving a quantum dot with a specific electron density and radius, questioning how to relate the number of electrons to the quantum numbers \( n \) and \( l \).
  • Another participant suggests that at ground state, the electrons will occupy the lowest 13 states, noting the importance of spin orientations in determining the occupancy of quantum states.
  • A participant reflects on the filling of electron orbitals, proposing that for 13 electrons, the configuration would involve filling the s, p, and d orbitals, leading to a focus on the d orbital for the quantum numbers.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the assignment of quantum numbers based on electron configurations, with examples given for how to determine \( n \) and \( l \) values from configurations like 1s², 1p⁶, and 1d¹⁰.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the assignment of quantum numbers, with some agreeing on the general approach to filling orbitals while others remain uncertain about the specific values of \( n \) and \( l \) derived from the electron count.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about electron configurations and the dependence on specific definitions of quantum states. The relationship between the number of electrons and the quantum numbers is not fully resolved, and participants note potential confusion in applying the concepts.

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Say we have a Quantum Dot with $$n=10^{26}m^{-3}$$ and radius $$R = 3nm$$ then this will give us of the order of 13 electrons. My question is how do you relate the number of electrons to the quantum numbers n and l in order to use the spherical Bessel function values?

In class for 13 electrons we were given $$n,l=0,2 (^{1}D)$$ which he then inserted into the formula as $$E_{0,2}= \frac{\hbar^{2} \beta_{0,2}^{2}}{2m^{*}R^{2}}$$ which is the spacing between energy levels.Just not sure how he got the n=0 l=2 and the shell 1D, any help would really be appreciated.
 
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That looks like an example.
At ground state, the electrons will occupy the lowest 13 states (note that you have two spin orientations). You can find allowed values of n and l in your lecture notes, book or similar.
 
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mfb said:
That looks like an example.
At ground state, the electrons will occupy the lowest 13 states (note that you have two spin orientations). You can find allowed values of n and l in your lecture notes, book or similar.

Thanks for the reply, yes I think you are right, if 13 electrons filled the first s p d orbits then 2 in s, 6 in p and 5 in d, so he has said it's the d orbit we want. No idea how he got the n and l values with that info, pretty sure he wants us (somehow) to do it though.

thanks for the reply!

edit think it's something to do with that for 1s2 n=0 l=0, for 1p6 n=0 l=1 for 1d10 n=0 l=2 etc etc
 
I'll update this for anyone else who has this problem in future.

You would be given

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You have electronic structure of SPDSPF...

So for example if you have 1s2 1p6 1d10 (which is 18 electrons), you start with the LOWEST number for beta from the chart for 1s2, then the next lowest for 1p6, then the next lowest for 1d10. So for 1s2 1p6 1d10 you would be at n=0 l=2. BUT be careful if you had a longer configuration (i.e. more electrons) the next beta value would be 39.5 and so l=0 n=1. NOT l=3 n=0. This is where I was getting mixed up.
 
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