How do vectors play a role in ship navigation?

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The discussion revolves around the role of vectors in ship navigation, specifically analyzing the ship's velocity in relation to water currents and obstacles. Participants explore theoretical aspects of vector representation, velocity calculations, and implications for navigation decisions.

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  • One participant describes a scenario where a ship is at position $(1, 0)$ and sees a rock at $(2, 4)$, moving north at 4 knots with an eastward current of 1 knot.
  • Another participant questions the representation of the ship's velocity in relation to the sea floor, suggesting that the total velocity vector is the sum of the ship's velocity and the current's velocity.
  • There is a discussion about the projection of the ship's position onto the sea floor after one hour, with one participant explaining that this projection helps in understanding the velocity vector.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the concept of uniform velocity and its relation to constant velocity, seeking clarification on definitions and examples from their book.
  • Another participant asserts that if the ship continues on its current path, it will be carried by the current, implying a need for navigation adjustments if the rock were an iceberg.
  • Participants discuss the mathematical representation of the ship's velocity vectors and their implications for determining the ship's future position.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the concepts of velocity and navigation. While some agree on the mathematical representations, others challenge the clarity of these concepts and seek further explanations. No consensus is reached on the interpretation of certain terms or the necessity of specific calculations.

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Participants reference definitions and examples from textbooks, indicating potential limitations in their understanding of velocity concepts, particularly regarding uniform versus constant velocity. The discussion also highlights the complexity of vector addition in navigation scenarios.

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This discussion may be useful for students studying physics or mathematics, particularly those interested in vector analysis and its applications in navigation and motion. It may also benefit individuals seeking clarification on the concepts of velocity and navigation in a maritime context.

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Hey! :o

We suppose that a ship, that is at the position $(1, 0)$ of a nautical map (with the North at the positive direction $y$) and it "sees" a rock at the position $(2, 4)$, is directed to North and is traveling $4$ knots in the relation to the water.
There is a current of 1 knot that is directed to the east side.
The units on the map are nautical miles, $1$ knot=$1$ nautical mile per hour.

a) If there weren't the current, which vector $\overrightarrow{u}$ would represent the velocity of the ship in relation to the see floor?

b) If the ship was just following the current, which vector $\overrightarrow{v}$ would represent the velocity in relation to the see floor?

c) Which vector $\overrightarrow{w}$ represents the total velocity of the ship?

d) Where will the ship be after $1$ hour?

e) Does the captain have to change direction?

f) What would happen if the rock was an iceberg?
Could you give me some hints how I could do this exercise?? (Wondering)

What does it mean "...which vector would represent the velocity of the ship in relation to the see floor?" ?? (Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
a) If there weren't the current, which vector $\overrightarrow{u}$ would represent the velocity of the ship in relation to the see floor?

b) If the ship was just following the current, which vector $\overrightarrow{v}$ would represent the velocity in relation to the see floor?
Surely you should be able to sea it. (Smile)

mathmari said:
c) Which vector $\overrightarrow{w}$ represents the total velocity of the ship?
$w=u+v$.

mathmari said:
d) Where will the ship be after $1$ hour?
$(1,0)+w$.

mathmari said:
f) What would happen if the rock was an iceberg?
Then it would be carried by the current.

mathmari said:
What does it mean "...which vector would represent the velocity of the ship in relation to the see floor?" ?
Let $A$ be the projection of the ship onto the sea floor. Let $B$ the projection of the ship onto the sea floor one hour later. Then "the vector that represents the velocity of the ship in relation to the sea floor" is $\overrightarrow{AB}$.
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
Surely you should be able to sea it. (Smile)

(Blush)
Evgeny.Makarov said:
$w=u+v$.

$(1,0)+w$.

Then it would be carried by the current.

Could you explain to me why these are the answers? I haven't understood it.
Evgeny.Makarov said:
Let $A$ be the projection of the ship onto the sea floor. Let $B$ the projection of the ship onto the sea floor one hour later. Then "the vector that represents the velocity of the ship in relation to the sea floor" is $\overrightarrow{AB}$.

Why do we have to find the projection of the ship onto the sea floor one hour later?
 
mathmari said:
Why do we have to find the projection of the ship onto the sea floor one hour later?
My guess is that you are trying to solve problems about velocity without understanding what velocity is. Please note that constant and average velocities (as opposed to instantaneous velocity, which relies on the concept of a derivative) are middle or high school topics.
 
In my book there is the following:

If a body moves with uniform velocity on a line, then the velocity vector is a displacement vector from its position at a moment till the position $1$ unit time later. Does uniform velocity means constant velocity?

a) The ship is traveling to North 4 knots and there is no current. That means that we have the following:

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So $\overrightarrow{u}=(1, 4)$.

Is it correct?

b) The ship follows the current.

In my book at an other example there is the following:

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Could you explain to me why it is like that?

c) Why is the total velocity of the ship $\overrightarrow{w}=\overrightarrow{u}+\overrightarrow{v}$ ?

d) The position of the ship in $1$ hour is "$\text{ Initial position + Total velocity} =(1, 0)+\overrightarrow{w}$, right?

e) After $1$ hour the ship will be at the position $(4, 8)$ which is the same line as the position of the rock $(2, 4)$. So, the captain has to change direction.

f) "Then it would be carried by the current."

Could you explain it further to me?
 

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