How Do Velocity and Angular Momentum Change in Elliptic Orbits?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the dynamics of planetary motion in elliptic orbits, specifically focusing on how velocity and angular momentum change as satellites move between perigee and apogee. It touches on the implications of universal gravitation and the conservation of angular momentum and mechanical energy.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that while deriving planetary motions, the gravitational interactions between planets are often neglected due to their negligible effects.
  • Others argue that accurate descriptions of planetary orbits must include the perturbative effects of other planets, which complicate the analysis and often require numerical methods.
  • One participant raises a question about the nature of velocity changes in elliptical orbits, specifically whether it is tangential or angular velocity that changes as satellites move from perigee to apogee.
  • A response indicates that both tangential and angular velocities change, emphasizing that velocity must change to conserve angular momentum and mechanical energy.
  • Participants discuss the conservation of angular momentum, presenting equations that relate angular momentum to distance and tangential velocity in an elliptical orbit.
  • The vis-viva equation is introduced to explain the relationship between velocity, gravitational potential, and specific mechanical energy in the context of orbital motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the conservation principles involved in elliptical orbits, but there is some contention regarding the treatment of gravitational interactions between planets and the implications for orbital dynamics.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions are made regarding the relative masses of the orbiting body and the central body, which may not hold in all cases, such as in the orbits of Jupiter or the Moon.

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When deriving the motions of the planets in our solar system, do we typically ignore Newton's law of gravitation between the planets themselves, since the force is negligible?
 
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Accurate descriptions of planetary orbits do include the effects of other planets. The orbit without other planets can be computed analytically, but the perturbations due to the other planets then must be done numerically.

Further complication - the orbit of Mercury requires general relativity. It was one of the first tests of the theory.
 
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So in planetary motion, if satellites travel faster at the perigee than the apogee, that implies some change in velocity. Is it the tangential velocity that is changing, or the angular velocity? If universal gravitation is the only force acting between the two objects, how can the velocity change?
 


baron.cecil said:
So in planetary motion, if satellites travel faster at the perigee than the apogee, that implies some change in velocity.
Yes.
Is it the tangential velocity that is changing, or the angular velocity?
Both.
If universal gravitation is the only force acting between the two objects, how can the velocity change?
The velocity must change in order for angular momentum and mechanical energy to be conserved. The specific angular momentum1[/color] of the orbiting body2[/color] is

[tex]\aligned<br /> \vec L &= \vec r \times \vec v \\<br /> L &\equiv ||\vec L|| = r v_{\perp}<br /> \endaligned[/tex]

Angular momentum is a conserved quantity, and thus the tangential component of velocity [itex]v_{\perp}[/itex] is inversely proportional to the distance from the central body: [itex]v_{\perp} = L/r[/itex]. Angular velocity is [itex]v_{\perp}/r = L/r^2[/itex], so this is also a time-varying quantity in an elliptic orbit.

Mechanical energy is also a conserved quantity. The total specific mechanical energy for a given orbit is

[tex]E = -\frac 1 2 \,\frac {GM}a[/tex]

Specific mechanical energy is simply the sum of specific kinetic energy [itex]v^2/2[/itex] and gravitational potential [itex]-GM/r[/itex]. Thus

[tex]v^2 = GM\left(\frac 2 r - \frac 1 a\right)[/tex]

This is the vis-viva equation.



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1[/color] The mass of the orbiting body m will simply drop out of the equations of motion assuming m is very, very small compared to M, the mass of the central body. The math becomes a bit easier if that little m mass is eliminated as soon as possible. The prefix specific means "divided by mass". Think specific gravity, specific impulse, ...

2[/color] I am assuming the mass of the orbiting body is much smaller than the mass of the central body. Things get a bit messier (but not too much) if this simplifying assumption is not valid. Note well: This assumption fails for Jupiter's orbit about the Sun, and for the Moon's about the Earth.
 

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