How Do You Calculate Armature Current and Efficiency in a DC Shunt Motor?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the armature current and efficiency of a DC shunt motor under varying load conditions. Participants explore the relationships between armature current, speed, and efficiency, particularly when the torque is reduced to half its full load value. The conversation includes mathematical reasoning and application of relevant equations.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the armature current as Ia=20000/500=40A but questions the missing 2.7A in the context of field current.
  • Another participant corrects the armature current calculation, stating it should be the supply current minus the field current, leading to Ia=45-2.3=42.7A.
  • Participants discuss the implications of reduced torque on armature current, suggesting Ia on half torque would be 21.35A.
  • Speed calculations are presented, with one participant noting that as back e.m.f. increases, speed also increases, leading to a new speed of approximately 608 rev/min.
  • Efficiency calculations are discussed, with one participant detailing total power used and various losses, including armature loss, field loss, and fixed loss, leading to a proposed efficiency of 80% at half torque.
  • There is a suggestion to consider armature copper loss in the fixed loss calculation, indicating that assumptions about neglecting this loss may not hold in this case.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the calculations of armature current and efficiency, with some corrections and refinements made throughout the discussion. No consensus is reached on the exact values of losses or the final efficiency calculation, indicating ongoing uncertainty and debate.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of using no-load data to determine fixed losses and the potential need to account for armature copper loss, which remains unresolved. The discussion reflects a reliance on specific assumptions and definitions that may affect the calculations.

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Homework Statement


Hello I have a bit of a problem solving this
A 20 kW, 500 V d.c. shunt wound motor draws a current of 45 A when running at full load with a speed of 600 rev min–1. On no load, the current drawn from the supply is 5 A. If the armature resistance is 0.3 Ω and the shunt field resistance is 220 Ω, calculate the armature current, speed and efficiency of the motor when the torque falls to half of its full load value, assuming that the flux per pole does not change.

Homework Equations


Armature current: Ia=20000/500=40A
Field current= 500/220=2.3A

The Attempt at a Solution


Now first i don't understand where is the missing 2.7A or is the field current=5A?
If the torque falls half of its value the armature current falls to half as well Ia=20A
Speed:
On full load E=V-Ia x Ra=500- 40 x 0.3=488V
When Ia falls to half= E=500-20 x 0.3=494V
if the back e.m.f. increases the speed increases: 494/488=1.012 new speed= 600 x 1.012=607 rev/min
Efficiency:
V x Ia=Ia^2 x Ra + E x Ia
500 x 20=20^2 x 0.3 + 494 x 20=10000W

Can anyone tell me if I am right so far
Thank you
 
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zsolt2 said:
Now first i don't understand where is the missing 2.7A
zsolt2 said:
Armature current: Ia=20000/500=40A
That's not correct.
5kW is the mechanical power output of the motor and not electrical power input.
zsolt2 said:
Field current= 500/220=2.3A
That's 2.2728 A(≈2.3 A).
So the armarure current would be simply supply current minus field current.
 
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Thank you for your answer!

So the armature current Ia=45-2.3=42.7
Then the power=V x Ia=500 x 42.7=21350W
And that 1350W is a fixed lost?
Ia on half torque = 42.7/2=21.35A
Speed:
On full load
E=V-ia x Ra=500-42.7 x 0.3=487V
Half torque
E=500-21.35 x 0.3=494V
The speed increases if the back e.m.f. grows (Ia decreases) 494/487=1.014
n2=n1 x 1.014=600 x 1.014=608 rev/min
 
zsolt2 said:
Thank you for your answer!

So the armature current Ia=45-2.3=42.7 A
Ia on half torque = 42.7/2=21.35A
Speed:
On full load
E=V-ia x Ra=500-42.7 x 0.3=487V
Half torque
E=500-21.35 x 0.3=494V
The speed increases if the back e.m.f. grows (Ia decreases) 494/487=1.014
n2=n1 x 1.014=600 x 1.014=608 rev/min
Looks good!
 
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Thank you!
And the efficiency :
Total power used: V x Ia = 500 x 21.35= 10675W
Losses:
Armature loss: Ia^2 x Ra =21.35^2 x 0.3=136.7W
Field loss: If^2 x Rf= 2.3^2 x 220=1163.8W
Brush losses: 2 x Ia= 2 x 21.35=42.7W
Fixed loss: 1350W
All losses:136.7+1163.8+42.7+1350=2693.2W
Is that looks right?
 
zsolt2 said:
And that 1350W is a fixed lost?
I didn't qoute this part in my previous post. You should use the no load data to find the fixed loss.
zsolt2 said:
Brush losses: 2 x Ia= 2 x 21.35=42.7W
You need not take brush drop into account if it is not mentioned in the problem.
 
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Ok
So the current drawn on no load is 5A the power consumed is 500 x 5=2500W
Field loss is 2.3^2 x 220=1163.8~ 1164W
Then the fixed loss: 2500-1164=1336W
Efficiency at half torque :
10675/10675+1336+1164+137=0.8
Efficiency =80%
 
zsolt2 said:
Then the fixed loss: 2500-1164=1336W
To be accurate, you should also subtract armature copper loss from this. Usually, because of low armature resistance, armature copper loss is neglected on no load but here, since nothing is mentioned as such, you should calculate it.
 
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Ok thank you very much for the help!
 
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