How Do You Calculate Electric Potential from a Field Graph?

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The discussion revolves around calculating electric potential from a graph of the electric field, specifically focusing on the x component of the electric field in a given region. The original poster presents a problem involving the electric potential at various points along the x-axis, given an initial potential at the origin.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the integration process required to find the electric potential, questioning the assumption of a constant electric field over the distance. There is exploration of the relationship between the area under the curve of the electric field graph and the potential difference.

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Some participants have provided hints regarding the integration process and the interpretation of the electric field graph. There is ongoing confusion about the correct values to use in the calculations, particularly regarding the height of the triangle representing the area under the curve.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available for discussion. There are indications of differing interpretations of the electric field values and their implications for the calculations.

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1. Homework Statement :

A graph of the x component of the electric field as a function of x in a region of space is shown in the figure [attached] below. The scale of the vertical axis is set by Exs = 47.5 N/C. The y and z components of the electric field are zero in this region. Suppose that the electric potential at the origin is 14 V.

(a) What is the electric potential at x = 2.0 m
(b) What is the greatest positive value of the electric potential for points on the x axis for which
0 ≤ x ≤ 6.0 m?
(c) For what value of x is the electric potential zero?

Homework Equations

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V_f-V_i=-\int_{i}^{f} \vec E \cdot d \vec s

The Attempt at a Solution

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For part (a), I began by substituting in the appropriate values.
$$V_f-14=-\int_{0}^{2} E~d x$$
After integrating, I got
$$V_f-14=-E\left( 2 \right)$$
Finally, I substituted -47.5 in for E and solved for Vf.
$$V_f=47.5\left( 2 \right)+14=109$$

The answer I got was incorrect, though, and I can't see where I went wrong. I haven't really attempted parts (b) or (c) yet.
 

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I think you need to check how you performed your integration. The value of E is not constant over the distance.

Hint: Think of the integral as the area "under" the curve. In the case of part (a), the area of interest stretches from x = 0 to x = 2 m.

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gneill said:
I think you need to check how you performed your integration. The value of E is not constant over the distance.

Hint: Think of the integral as the area "under" the curve. In the case of part (a), the area of interest stretches from x = 0 to x = 2 m.

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Oh crap, I completely ignored that the electric field isn't constant. So if the integral of dx is the area of a triangle, would the height just be 1?
 
dect117 said:
Oh crap, I completely ignored that the electric field isn't constant. So if the integral of dx is the area of a triangle, would the height just be 1?
The "height" is determined by the scale of the vertical axis, and where on the curve your triangle vertex lies.
 
gneill said:
The "height" is determined by the scale of the vertical axis, and where on the curve your triangle vertex lies.
So h = -47.5? If so, I get $$V_f-14=-\frac 1 2 E b h=-\frac 1 2 \left( -47.5 \right)^2 \left( 2 \right)$$ which doesn't yield the correct answer. Isn't the value of E also -47.5?
 
If h = 1, then I get $$V_f-14=-\frac 1 2 \left( -47.5 \right) \left( 2 \right)=47.5$$ $$V_f=47.5+14=61.5$$ which WebAssign says is the correct answer to part (a). I am very confused. lol
 
dect117 said:
If h = 1, then I get $$V_f-14=-\frac 1 2 \left( -47.5 \right) \left( 2 \right)=47.5$$ $$V_f=47.5+14=61.5$$ which WebAssign says is the correct answer to part (a). I am very confused. lol

I don't understand your use of "h". In your work you use -47.5 N/C for the "height" of the triangle, not 1 N/C.
 
gneill said:
I don't understand your use of "h". In your work you use -47.5 N/C for the "height" of the triangle, not 1 N/C.
E = -47.5, no? If so, then -47.5 will be squared if h is also equal to -47.5.
 
dect117 said:
E = -47.5, no? If so, then -47.5 will be squared if h is also equal to -47.5.
Um, no. If the vertex is at E = -47.5 N/C, then that is the "height" of the triangle. h is not a separate variable here, it simply represents the height of the triangle under consideration. In this case, for part (a) of the problem, the height of the triangle happens to be -47.5 N/C.
 

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