How Do You Calculate Entropy Change for an Isobaric Process?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the entropy change for an isobaric process, given specific parameters such as initial and final temperatures, number of moles, and heat capacity.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the definition of entropy and its relation to reversible processes. There is a discussion on using the formula for entropy change and whether it applies to irreversible processes. Questions arise regarding the appropriate heat capacity to use in the calculations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the concepts and questioning the assumptions behind the formulas. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of heat capacities and the nature of the process, but no consensus has been reached on the final approach to the calculation.

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There is uncertainty about whether the process in question is reversible, which affects the applicability of the entropy change formula. Additionally, the distinction between using Cv and Cp for the isobaric process is under discussion.

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How do i calculate the entropy change for an isobaric process, if i know
T1, T2, n and Cv ?

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h ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isobaric_process

Try looking there.
 
There is nothing there about entropy change
 
What is the definition of entropy?
 
entropy change = dS = int( dQ/T )
where you integrate from state 1, to state 2.
The forumula only holds for reversible processes and i don't know if that's the case in my question.
 
lesodk said:
entropy change = dS = int( dQ/T )
where you integrate from state 1, to state 2.
Correct, you can now use this in conjunction with the information which astrorob provided to calculate the entropy change.
lesodk said:
The forumula only holds for reversible processes and i don't know if that's the case in my question.
Indeed, the formula does only hold for a reversible process, but it may be useful to note that since entropy is a state function it is independent of the path taken and depends only on the initial and final states. Therefore, for any process, even an irreversible one, we can chose a reversible path between the initial and final states that allows us to calculate the change in entropy.

Does that make sense?
 
so i shoud insert the value for dQ = nCvdT and by that getting
dS = int( (n Cv dT)/T) = n Cv ( (1/T) dT ) = nCv ln(T2/T1) ?
Is that correct, even though the process is not reversible?
 
lesodk said:
so i shoud insert the value for dQ = nCvdT and by that getting
dS = int( (n Cv dT)/T) = n Cv ( (1/T) dT ) = nCv ln(T2/T1) ?
Is that correct, even though the process is not reversible?
The only thing that concerns me is the Cv. Since the process is isobaric, you need Cp. Apart from that your expression is correct.
 
thanks a lot
 

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