How do you calculate the distance between ships using the Pythagorean theorem?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the distance between two ships using the Pythagorean theorem, focusing on the mathematical modeling of their positions over time and the implications of their movement towards each other. The context includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanations related to the application of the distance formula and differentiation.

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  • One participant notes the use of a negative rate of change for distance as the ships approach each other before 4 PM.
  • Another participant describes the parametric equations for the positions of the ships and derives the distance formula, leading to a calculation of the rate of change of distance at 4 PM.
  • There is a question about the generality of using the formula $$D^2(t)=x^2+y^2$$ for triangle problems, suggesting it is a common approach in examples.
  • A later reply confirms that this formula is applicable for right triangles, linking it to the Pythagorean theorem.

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Participants express varying levels of confidence in the application of the distance formula and its derivation, but there is no explicit consensus on the best approach or any definitive conclusions regarding the calculations presented.

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Some assumptions regarding the ships' paths and the conditions under which the distance is calculated may not be fully articulated, and the discussion does not resolve whether the chosen modeling accurately reflects the scenario.

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wasn't sure but made the $$\frac{da}{dt}$$ negative since the ships are drawing closer to each other at least before 4pm
 
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Re: distance between ships at 4pm

Your answer agrees with the result I got when I recently worked this problem when it was posted at Yahoo! Answers. This was the reply I gave:

Let's orient our coordinate axes such that ship A is at the origin at noon, and so ship B is at $(150,0)$. Thus, we may describe the position of each ship parametrically as follows:

Ship A:

$$x=35t$$

$$y=0$$

Ship B:

$$x=150$$

$$y=25t$$

If we let $D$ be the distance between the ships at time $t$, we may use the distance formula to write:

$$D^2(t)=(35t-150)^2+(25t)^2=50\left(37t^2-210t+450 \right)$$

Implicitly differentiating with respect to $t$, we find:

$$2D(t)D'(t)=50(74t-210)=100(37t-105)$$

Hence:

$$D'(t)=\frac{50(37t-105)}{D(t)}=\frac{\sqrt{50}(37t-105)}{\sqrt{37t^2-210t+450}}$$

At 4:00 pm, we have $t=4$, and so we find:

$$D'(4)=\frac{\sqrt{50}(37(4)-105)}{\sqrt{37(4)^2-210(4)+450}}=\frac{215}{\sqrt{101}}\,\frac{\text{km}}{\text{hr}}$$

Thus, at 4:00 pm the distance between the ships is increasing at a rate of about 21.3933 kph.
 
Re: distance between ships at 4pm

do you always use generally.

$$D^2(t)=x^2+y^2$$

with these triangle problems, it seems the book examples do the same. I guess its a nice template to use..
 
Re: distance between ships at 4pm

karush said:
do you always use generally.

$$D^2(t)=x^2+y^2$$

with these triangle problems, it seems the book examples do the same. I guess its a nice template to use..

Yes, for right triangles, it follows directly from the Pythagorean theorem. :D
 

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