How Do You Calculate the Effective Speed of a Tailwind for a Westward Cyclist?

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The problem involves a cyclist traveling west at a speed of 5.6 m/s while a northeast wind blows at 10 m/s. The objective is to determine the effective speed of the tailwind affecting the cyclist's motion.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss breaking down the velocities into x and y components and using the Pythagorean theorem to find the resultant speed. There is a question regarding the sign convention for the cyclist's westward speed when calculating the resultant x component.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the vector representations of the cyclist's and wind's velocities. Some guidance has been provided on how to express these vectors, and there is an ongoing examination of the implications of using positive or negative values for the cyclist's speed in the calculations.

Contextual Notes

There is a consideration of the Cartesian coordinate system and how it affects the representation of the cyclist's velocity as negative due to the direction of travel. The discussion reflects on the assumptions made in vector addition and the interpretation of forces in a conceptual analogy.

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Homework Statement



A cyclist head due west on a straight road at 5.6m/s. A northeast wind is blowing at 10m/s. What is the effective speed of the tailwind?(resultant)

Homework Equations


Cos 45 10
Sin 45 10



The Attempt at a Solution


Basically I broke it down into its x and y components. Then added them together to the Rx and Ry and used Pythagorean to find the resultant. I just have one question though: when adding the x components for the wind and the cyclist speed. Would the Rx be -5.6m/s + 7.1( 7.1 is derived from cos 45 degrees *10) = 1.5? Or would the 5.6 be positive?
 
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Coco12 said:
Would the Rx be -5.6m/s + 7.1( 7.1 is derived from cos 45 degrees *10) = 1.5? Or would the 5.6 be positive?

To help you answer your question, it might help to write out explicit expressions for the vectors representing the cyclist and the wind velocities.
 
CAF123 said:
To help you answer your question, it might help to write out explicit expressions for the vectors representing the cyclist and the wind velocities.

I did. Rx=ax+bx
Ry=ay +by

I'm just wondering since it's 5.6 m/s due west which on a Cartesian plane would be a negative x whether I would incorporate the negative when trying to find rx
 
Coco12 said:
I did. Rx=ax+bx
Ry=ay +by

I'm just wondering since it's 5.6 m/s due west which on a Cartesian plane would be a negative x whether I would incorporate the negative when trying to find rx
Yes, you can represent the velocity vector of the cyclist as ##\vec{C} = -5.6 \hat{x}## and that of the wind as ##\vec{W} = (10 \cos 45)\hat{x} + (10 \sin 45) \hat{y}##. Now, as you said, just add components to get the resultant.

From a more conceptual point of view, imagine a game of tug of war. Person A pulls to left with force 5.6N and person B to right with force 10cos45 ≈ 7.1 N. The person pulling to right wins, but only marginally. (winning by 7.1 - 5.6, not 7.1 + 5.6)
 
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