How Do You Calculate the Equations for Tangent and Normal Lines at a Point?

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The discussion revolves around finding the equations for the tangent and normal lines to the function y = x + 1/√x at the point where x = 4. Participants are exploring the application of calculus concepts, particularly limits and differentiation, to derive these equations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss using first principles to find the derivative, while others suggest applying differentiation rules. There are questions about the correct application of limits and the differentiation process, particularly regarding functions with multiple terms.

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The conversation includes various attempts to clarify the differentiation process and how to derive the tangent and normal line equations. Some participants express uncertainty about their methods and the correct forms of the equations, while others provide insights into the differentiation rules and the implications for finding the tangent and normal lines.

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There is a mention of needing to express the derivative as a limit for full credit on a test, indicating a potential constraint in the homework guidelines. Participants also note the complexity of the function due to the square root, which may affect their approach to differentiation.

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Homework Statement


Find the equation of the tangent and normals of [tex]y=x+\frac{1}{\sqrt{x}}[/tex] at x = 4.

Homework Equations


[tex] \lim_{h \rightarrow 0}\frac{f(x_{0} + h) - f(x_{0})}{h} = m[/tex]

Also:
[tex] slope of normal = \frac{-1}{slope of the tangent}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]m=\lim_{h \rightarrow 0}\frac{((4+h)+1^{\frac{1}{4}+h})-4+1^\frac{1}{4}}{h}[/tex]

I'm not sure how to sub in for a function that has more than 1 x terms I guess, and I don't think I did it right. I understand that the tangent is the slope at a given point expressed as a limit where h approaches 0. Generally, I think I'd sub in the desired x and remove the h from the bottom so we're not dividing by 0. Also, since this function has a square root, I might need to multiply by the conjugate (not sure about this, I vaguely remember this part about limits--still studying).

The correct answer according to the book is:

tangent: 15x -16y = -12
normal: 32x + 30y = 263

Not sure how to get these solutions.
 
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Do you have to do it from first principles? Don't you have some rules for differentiation (which is the same as finding a slope)?

If you don't invent some! If df/dx = c and dg/dx = d what is d(f+g)/dx?
What is the derivative of x? x^{-1/2}? (x^n for any fixed number n?).
This should be enough to solve your problem easily.
 
If I use rules of differentiation, I think I can do this:

[tex]y = x + \frac{1}{\sqrt{x}}[/tex]

[tex] = x + (x^{1/2})^{-1}<br /> [/tex]

Then I can do this:

[tex] f\prime= 1 + \frac{1}{2}x^{-\frac{1}{2}}\times-1(x^{1/2})^{-2}<br /> [/tex]

I applied chain rule and product rule to get that. Probably still wrong, but either way, I think I need to be able to do it by expressing it as a limit to get full points on a test, so yeah I need first principles. Also, I don't get how the equation becomes some nice equation that's up there (15x -16y = -12)
 
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you should be able to split the limits pretty easy, in general say f(x) = g(x) + h(x)

you should be able to split the limits reasonably easy, if the functions are both dfferntiable
[tex]f'(x) = lim_{d \rightarrow 0}( \frac{f(x+d)-f(x)}{(x+d)-x}) <br /> = lim_{d \rightarrow 0}( \frac{g(x+d)+h(x+d)-g(x)-h(x)}{(x+d)-x}[/tex]
[tex] = lim_{d \rightarrow 0}( \frac{g(x+d)- g(x)}{(x+d)-x}) + lim_{d \rightarrow 0}( \frac{h(x+d)-h(x)}{(x+d)-x}) [/tex]
[tex] = g'(x) + h'(x)[/tex]
the are some subtleties involved, but i think it probably fine to assume above

now your differentiation is not quite correct, you only really need to use the power rule here, knowing from exponential rules that (x^a)^b = x^(ab)

[tex]\frac{d}{dx}\frac{1}{\sqrt{x}} = \frac{d}{dx} x^{-1/2} = (-1/2)x^{-3/2} [/tex]

if you want to do it form first principles, its a bit more involved, look at each limit separately as indicated
for the sqrt you have:
[tex]lim_{d \rightarrow 0}( \frac{ \frac{1}{\sqrt{x+d}} - \frac{1}{\sqrt{x}} }{(x+d)-x})[/tex]

now multilpy through to get a common denominator, then rationalise and you should be on your way...
 
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Okay, if that's the derivative, then how do we get

tangent: 15x -16y = -12
normal: 32x + 30y = 263

as a final answer?
 
iamsmooth said:
If I use rules of differentiation, I think I can do this:

[tex]y = x + \frac{1}{\sqrt{x}}[/tex]

[tex] = x + (x^{1/2})^{-1}<br /> [/tex]
You're really doing the hard way here. You don't need the chain rule. Rewrite your function as y = x + x-1/2

Now take the derivative using the power rule.
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Then I can do this:

[tex] f\prime= 1 + \frac{1}{2}x^{-\frac{1}{2}}\times-1(x^{1/2})^{-2}<br /> [/tex]
First off, there is no mention of f, so it should be there. Use y' or dy/dx instead. Second, the expression to the right of the 1 term is extremely convoluted. I'm pretty sure it's incorrect, but I haven't checked it, and I'm not very inclined to do that for what should be a very simple expression.
iamsmooth said:
I applied chain rule and product rule to get that. Probably still wrong, but either way, I think I need to be able to do it by expressing it as a limit to get full points on a test, so yeah I need first principles. Also, I don't get how the equation becomes some nice equation that's up there (15x -16y = -12)
 
iamsmooth said:
Okay, if that's the derivative, then how do we get

tangent: 15x -16y = -12
normal: 32x + 30y = 263

as a final answer?

once you get the derivative at x0 then the tangent is the line with slope
[tex]m = f'(x_0)[/tex]

through the point
[tex](x_0,f(x_0))[/tex]

so if we let the equation of the line be given by y(x), it must satisfy
[tex]y(x) - f(x_0) = m(x - x_0)[/tex]

the normal will be through the same point with a different gradient, to give it a 90 degree angle with the tangent
 

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