How Do You Calculate the Final Speed of Two Colliding Cars?

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The problem involves two cars colliding and sticking together, with one car traveling north at speed 2v and the other at speed v at an angle x south of east. The objective is to find the final speed of the combined system after the collision, which is moving at an angle east of north.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the conservation of momentum and attempt to derive the final speed using vector components. There are questions about the application of Pythagorean theorem and trigonometric identities in the calculations.

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Some participants are exploring different algebraic manipulations to simplify the expressions for final speed. There is an ongoing examination of the calculations, with suggestions to reorganize terms for clarity. No consensus has been reached on the correctness of the current approach.

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Participants are working under the assumption that momentum is conserved during the collision, and they are trying to resolve discrepancies in their calculations without additional information about the collision specifics.

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Homework Statement


Two cars, both of mass m, collide and stick together. Prior to the collision, one car had been traveling north at speed 2v, while the second was traveling at speed v at an angle x south of east (as indicated in the figure). After the collision, the two-car system travels at speed vf at an angle east of north. Find the final speed of the two cars after the collision


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The Attempt at a Solution


We assume momentum is conserved, so that
p(i) = p(f)
p(f) = (2m)vf
p(east) = cosx*mv
vf(easte) = (vcosx)/2
p(north) = 2mv - mvsinx
vf(north) = (2v-vsinx)/2

So now that I've figured all these values out, I know that I can use pythagoras' theorum to solve for vf:

vf = [(vcosx/2)^2+((2v-vsinx)/2)^2)]^1/2
= [(v^2cos^2(x)+v^2sin^2(x)+4v^2+2vsinx)/2]^1/2
= [(v^2(1)+4v^2-2vsinx)/2]^1/2 ---- using trig identity sin^2x+cos^x = 1
= [(5v^2-2vsinx)/2]^1/2

But this is not the answer - is anyone able to find any problems in my work, or can I simplify it further?
I am pretty sure the mistake must be at some point after I use pythagoras' theorum, but I can't seem to find it.
 
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Pull out the v/2 term first to make things cleaner. Take the square root at the end.

vf2 = (v/2)2*(cos(x)2 + (2 - sin(x))2)

= (v/2)2*( (1 - sin(x)2) + (2 - sin(x))2 )

proceed.
 
shanshan said:
vf = [(vcosx/2)^2+((2v-vsinx)/2)^2)]^1/2
= [(v^2cos^2(x)+v^2sin^2(x)+4v^2+2vsinx)/2]^1/2
= [(v^2(1)+4v^2-2vsinx)/2]^1/2 ---- using trig identity sin^2x+cos^x = 1
= [(5v^2-2vsinx)/2]^1/2

[(v^2cos^2(x)+v^2sin^2(x)+4v^2+2vsinx)/2]^1/2

here this should have been
[(v^2cos^2(x)/4+v^2sin^2(x)+4v^2-4vsinx)/2]^1/2
 
Now, check the answer.
 

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