What will be the final velocity and direction of two colliding cars?

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The discussion revolves around a collision problem involving two cars with different masses and velocities, one traveling east and the other west. Participants are exploring how to determine the final velocity and direction of the cars after the collision.

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  • Participants attempt to apply conservation of momentum to find the final velocity after the collision. There are discussions about the correct setup of the equations, including the need to consider the direction of velocities. Some participants question the necessity of converting velocities to different units.

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The discussion includes multiple attempts to clarify the calculations and the use of LaTeX formatting. Some participants express uncertainty about the algebraic signs due to the opposing directions of the cars. There are indications of helpful guidance being offered regarding the setup of the problem and the interpretation of results.

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Participants note the potential for confusion due to the conversion of units and the assumptions made about the collision type. There is also mention of differing methods for calculating the final velocity, including a reference to perfectly inelastic collisions.

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Homework Statement


A car of 800 kg was going towards east with a velocity of 36km/h and an another car of 1600 kg was going towards west with a velocity of 54km/h. After collision, in which direction and with how much velocity will the cars go?

Homework Equations



$m_1u_1+m_2u_2 = (m_1+m_2)v$

The Attempt at a Solution


Here, we can take the first cars' mass as 1 and the second car as 2
Then,
$m_1=800kg$
$m_2=1600kg$
$u_1=36km/h$
$=\frac{36*10^3}{60*60}$
$=10m/s$
$u_2=54km/h$
$=\frac{54*10^3}{60*60}$
$=15m/s$

We know,
$m_1u_1+m_2u_2 = (m_1+m_2)v$
$Or, v = \frac{m_1u_1+m_2u_2}{m_1+m_2}$
$= \frac{800*10+1600*15}{800+1600}$
$= 13.33 m/s$ (ans.)


 
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M. M. Fahad Joy said:

Homework Statement


A car of 800 kg was going towards east with a velocity of 36km/h and an another car of 1600 kg was going towards west with a velocity of 54km/h. After collision, in which direction and with how much velocity will the cars go?

Homework Equations



$m_1u_1+m_2u_2 = (m_1+m_2)v$

The Attempt at a Solution


Here, we can take the first cars' mass as 1 and the second car as 2
Then,
$m_1=800kg$
$m_2=1600kg$
$u_1=36km/h$
$=\frac{36*10^3}{60*60}$
$=10m/s$
$u_2=54km/h$
$=\frac{54*10^3}{60*60}$
$=15m/s$

We know,
$m_1u_1+m_2u_2 = (m_1+m_2)v$
$Or, v = \frac{m_1u_1+m_2u_2}{m_1+m_2}$
$= \frac{800*10+1600*15}{800+1600}$
$= 13.33 m/s$ (ans.)

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Can't we use LaTex here?
 
M. M. Fahad Joy said:

Homework Statement


A car of 800 kg was going towards east with a velocity of 36km/h and an another car of 1600 kg was going towards west with a velocity of 54km/h. After collision, in which direction and with how much velocity will the cars go?

Homework Equations



$$m_1u_1+m_2u_2 = (m_1+m_2)v$$

The Attempt at a Solution


Here, we can take the first cars' mass as 1 and the second car as 2
Then,
$$m_1=800kg$$
$$m_2=1600kg$$
$$u_1=36km/h$$
$$=\frac{36*10^3}{60*60}$$
$$=10m/s$$
$$u_2=54km/h$$
$$=\frac{54*10^3}{60*60}$$
$$=15m/s$$

We know,
##m_1u_1+m_2u_2=(m_1+m_2)v##
##v = \frac{m_1u_1+m_2u_2}{m_1+m_2}##
$$= \frac{800*10+1600*15}{800+1600}$$ $$= 13.33 m/s$$ (ans.)[/B]
The LaTeX on this site needs double dollar signs front and back. Better, use double hash signs (#) so that it is not forced onto a new line. I've fixed it up in the copy above, but could not get one line to work.
As to your algebra, pay attention to signs. The cars were going in opposite directions.
 
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haruspex said:
The LaTeX on this site needs double dollar signs front and back. Better, use double hash signs (#) so that it is not forced onto a new line. I've fixed it up in the copy above, but could not get one line to work.
As to your algebra, pay attention to signs. The cars were going in opposite directions.
Thanks a lot for your help.
Could you tell me what the answer is?
 
Is it right?
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haruspex said:
Yes, that is the right answer. You did not need to convert to m/s, though. Since the speeds are given kph you can answer in kph (24).
Thank you. I got it.
 
Much simpler to use the following formula (for perfectly inelastic collisions):

Δp = μΔv where μ is the reduced mass [m1 * m2 / (m1+m2) ] of the colliding objects and Δv is their relative velocity. Then p1(after) = p1(before) - Δp and you can divide by m1 to obtain the combined velocity.

p1 is the momentum of the heavier vehicle but you could similarly calculate p2(before) - Δp (this answer would be negative) and divide by m2. Same result.
 

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