How Do You Calculate the Force on Screws in a Rotating Cylindrical Vessel?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the force on screws in a rotating cylindrical vessel containing water. Participants explore the application of hydrostatic principles and the integration of pressure forces acting on the screws, considering the geometry and orientation of the cylinder.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the setup involving two half-cylinders joined by screws and seeks to calculate the resultant force on the screws due to hydrostatic pressure when the cylinder rotates.
  • Another participant assumes the screw axes are perpendicular to the plane of the cylinder and suggests that the rigidity of the cylinder allows focusing on forces along the screw axes.
  • A participant questions whether the pressure, being scalar, should be treated as a vector field for integration purposes and discusses the implications of integrating pressure components in different directions.
  • In a simplified scenario with constant pressure, one participant proposes two different expressions for the resultant force, leading to a discussion on the correct integration method and the role of angular dependence.
  • One participant clarifies that while pressure is scalar, the force on each area element is a vector and emphasizes taking the component of that force in the direction of the screws.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to approach the integration of pressure and the treatment of pressure as a vector field. There is no consensus on the correct method for calculating the resultant force on the screws.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of considering the geometry of the cylinder and the orientation of the screws, as well as the potential impact of gravity, which remains unaddressed in the calculations.

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The problem is the following: we have 2 half's of a cylinder and they are put together using 6 screws, forming a full cylinder. Inside there is water and we are asked to calculate the force on the screws when the cylinder rotates with constant angular velocity Ω. Using the equations of hydrostatics I calculated the pressure as a function of z and r, but here comes the part I cannot yet solve; If I want to calculate te resultant force over some half do I have to integrate \oint_S p or \oint_S \hat{n} \dot \hat{i}? (being S the surface of the semi cylinder). I know the pressure is a scalar but i still have doubts about it. Do I project the force over \hat{i} ? (taking x as the symmetric axis)

Thanks, excuse me if my english is not correct.
 
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I'm going to assume that the screw axes are perpendicular to the plane of join of the two half cylinders. Further, that each half cylinder is sufficiently rigid that you do not have to worry about forces that tend to distort (flatten) it. So all you should care about are the forces in the direction of the screw axes.
Does that help you?
 
Correct! but do I have to decompose the pressure which I believe is orthogonal to the surface, i.e. is in the \hat{\rho} direction, to the cartesian directions and then integrate? I mean do I have to think the pressure as a vector field (I was told it was a scalar) ?

Let me use a simpler question;
Asume the pressure is constant, H is the height, R is the radius, \hat{i} is the direction perpendicular to de plane of the screws. The resultant force on one half is then \vec{F}=\pi PHR \hat{i} or 2PHR \hat{i}?. The 2 comes from integrating sin\theta between 0 and \pi, while the first expression comes from integrating without sin\theta
 
The pressure is scalar, but the force at each element of area is a vector. Just take the component of that force in the screw axis direction. Components in other directions will cancel by symmetry. So in the simplified question, it's 2, not pi.
Btw, are you supposed to worry about gravity too?
 

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