How Do You Calculate the Gradient at a Point in a Function?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the gradient of a function f(x, y) at a specific point, given directional derivatives in two different directions. The original poster presents a scenario involving points (4,5), (5,6), and (6,6), along with corresponding directional derivatives.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the gradient and directional derivatives, with some suggesting the use of unit vectors and dot products to set up equations. There are attempts to establish a system of equations based on the given directional derivatives.

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Some participants have provided guidance on how to set up the equations based on the unit vectors and the gradient representation. However, there is an indication of confusion regarding the correct formulation of the equations, with one participant expressing difficulty in progressing with their setup.

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There are mentions of specific directional derivatives and the need to derive equations from them, but the exact nature of the equations and their correctness is under scrutiny. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the problem setup and the mathematical relationships involved.

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Consider the function f (x,y). if you start at the point (4,5) and move to the point (5,6) . the directional derivative is 2. Starting at the point (4,5) and moving toward the point (6,6)gives a directional derivative of 3.Find grad f at the point (4,5) .

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I don't really know how to go about this question. All I can do so far is find the unit vector.
PQ = (5-4) i + (6-5) j = i+j ; u = 1/sqrt 2 i + 1/sqrt 2 j

PR = (6-4 i +( 6-5) j = 2i+j ; u = 2/sqrt 5 i + 1/sqrt 5 j
 
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If the gradient G=ai+bj, then the given information tells you PQ.G=2 and PR.G=3. That's two equations in two unknowns.
 


Use the equation f_u = \nabla f \cdot u. You'll set yourself up with a system of equations, solve them, and you're done.
 


ok i set the system of equation and I'm getting nowhere.
grad f1 = .5i + .5j
grad f2 = .2981i + .1491j
how do i set up the system of equation.
 


Those aren't the right equations. E.g. PQ.G doesn't have i or j in it.
 
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Write the gradient as f\vec{i}+ g\vec{j}.

1. What is the unit vector in the direction from (4, 5) to (5, 6)? What is the dot product of that vector with f\vec{i}+ g\vec{j}? Set that equal to 2.

2. What is the unit vector in the direction from (4, 5) to (6, 6)? What is the dot product of that vector with f\vec{i}+ g\vec{j}? Set that equal to 3.

You now have two equations to solve for f and g.
 


HallsofIvy said:
Write the gradient as f\vec{i}+ g\vec{j}.

1. What is the unit vector in the direction from (4, 5) to (5, 6)? What is the dot product of that vector with f\vec{i}+ g\vec{j}? Set that equal to 2.

2. What is the unit vector in the direction from (4, 5) to (6, 6)? What is the dot product of that vector with f\vec{i}+ g\vec{j}? Set that equal to 3.

You now have two equations to solve for f and g.

I got it now, thank you so much.
 

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