How Do You Calculate the Magnitude of a Filter Response?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the magnitude of a filter response defined by the equation F(w) = a / [1 - be^(-jwT)], focusing on the mathematical steps involved and the correct interpretation of complex numbers in the context of magnitude calculation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the filter response and attempts to derive its magnitude, expressing difficulty in eliminating sine terms.
  • Another participant suggests that the magnitude should be calculated using the formula √(Real² + Imag²), indicating that the imaginary unit does not factor into the magnitude itself.
  • A participant challenges the correctness of a proposed answer, asserting that it is incorrect without providing a definitive alternative.
  • Another participant questions the derivation of a specific expression for the magnitude, emphasizing that an imaginary component should not be present in the final magnitude calculation.
  • There is a reference to a general formula for calculating the magnitude of a complex fraction, which includes real and imaginary components.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the correctness of the proposed answers and the method for calculating the magnitude, indicating that multiple competing views remain unresolved.

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There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the treatment of complex numbers in the context of magnitude calculation.

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Homework Statement



F(w) = a / [1 - be^(-jwT)]

where a and b are constants

Find the magnitude of this filter response

Homework Equations



e^(-jX) = cos(X) - isin(X)


The Attempt at a Solution



the answer is a/ √[1-2bcos(wT) + b^2*cos^2(2wT)]

but I can't seem to get rid of sines.



F(w) = a / [1 - be^(-jwT)]
= a / [ 1 - b(cos(wT) - isin(wT) ]
= a / [1 - bcos(wT) + ibsin(wT)]
|F(w| = √{ a^2/ [1 - bcos(wT) + ibsin(wT)]^2}
= a /√[1-2bcos(wT) + b^2*cos^2(wT) + i 2bsin(wT) - i 2b^2*sin(wT)cos(wT) -b^2*sin^2(wT)]

Can anyone point me at the right direction??
 
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I think you'll find that when determining the magnitude, you take √[/size]( Real^2 + Imag^2 ). The i operator itself does not appear in the magnitude term.
 
jmher0403 said:
the answer is a/ √[1-2bcos(wT) + b^2*cos^2(2wT)]
Where did you get this from? It's not correct.
 
jmher0403 said:

Homework Statement



|F(w| = √{ a^2/ [1 - bcos(wT) + ibsin(wT)]^2}

Where did this come from? Makes no sense, and you can't have an imaginary component in a magnitude.

In general, given (a + jb)/(c + jd), a thru d real, magnitude = √(a2 + b2)/√(c2 + d2).

Plus, miles is right, the given answer is incorrect.
 
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