How Do You Calculate the Orbit Height of a Spacecraft Around a Planet?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the height of a spacecraft in orbit around a planet, given its orbital period. The original poster has completed preliminary sections of the problem but is struggling with the final part, which involves deducing the height based on a different orbital period.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use different equations for orbital period and questions the applicability of certain gravitational constants. Some participants suggest reconsidering the use of gravitational acceleration at different heights and the implications of the given period on gravitational force.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering insights into the relationships between gravitational force, orbital period, and height. There is a recognition of the complexity of the calculations, and some participants express uncertainty about the original poster's method while also questioning the problem's parameters.

Contextual Notes

There is a suggestion that the problem may contain a misprint regarding the orbital period, which could affect the calculations. Participants are also discussing the implications of using different gravitational equations and constants in their reasoning.

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Homework Statement


I have been able to complete section a and b but c doesn't match the answer

a)The acceleration of free fall at the surface of a planet is g and the radius of the planet is R. Deduce that the period of a satellite in a very low orbit is given by T=2pi sqrt(R/g).

b)Given that g=4.5ms^-2 and R=3.4x10^6m, deduce that the orbital period of the low orbit is about 91 minutes.

c)A spacecraft in orbit around this planet has a period of 140 minutes. Deduce the height of the spacecraft from the surface of the planet. (Ans: 3.1x10^6)

Homework Equations


T=2pi sqrt(R/g)
T=2pi sqrt(R^3/GM)

The Attempt at a Solution


I can't obtain the answer 3.1x10^6 in c). When doing c), T=2pi sqrt(R/g) can't be used with g=4.5ms^-2 because period of 140 minutes means acceleration of free fall has already changed so I used T=2pi sqrt(R^3/GM):
140x60=2pi sqrt((R+h)^3/GM) {used R+h because the question wants height of spacecraft from SURFACE of planet}. Now I must find M. Using information obtained from b): 91x60=2pi sqrt((3.4x10^6)^3/GM), M=7.81x10^23. Substituting M into 140x60=2pi sqrt((R+h)^3/GM), I get R+h=4.53x10^6, h=1.13x10^6!??
I've thought this over for a very long time. Have I misunderstood the question or is my method wrong? Someone help me! Thank you!
 
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Hi Pseudopro! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(have a pi: π and try using the X2 iocn just above the Reply box :wink:)
Pseudopro said:
… When doing c), T=2pi sqrt(R/g) can't be used with g=4.5ms^-2 because period of 140 minutes means acceleration of free fall has already changed so I used T=2pi sqrt(R^3/GM):

Why are you using G ? :confused:

You know g at distance R, and you know how gravity depends on distance, soooo … ? :wink:
 


tiny-tim said:
Hi Pseudopro! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(have a pi: π and try using the X2 iocn just above the Reply box :wink:)


Why are you using G ? :confused:

You know g at distance R, and you know how gravity depends on distance, soooo … ? :wink:


Yes, you're right - g of 4.5 is at distance R, and gravity changes with distance. My way of calculating the new g at height h was by using g=GM/R2. This is why I used G - it shouldn't be like that? This is what I did:
4.5=6.667x10-11M/(3.4x106)2
M=7.81x1023
gnew=6.667x10-11M(just calculated)/(R+h)2
g(R+h)2=5.20x1013...(1)

T=2π sqrt((R+h)/g) [cleaner way to write square root?]
140x60=2π sqrt((3.4x106+h)/g)
Cleaning up: (3.4x106+h)/g=1.79x106...(2)

(1)x(2): (3.4x106+h)3=9.31x1019
Solving: h=1.13x106

If the book's answer 3.1x10^6 is correct, there is something wrong with my method. Please tell me if this (use of g=GM/R2) is incorrect. Also could you verify that my use of R+h is correct? Thank you very much for helping me :smile:
 
Hi Pseudopro! :smile:

Your method is very long-winded. :redface:

You started with T=2π √(R3/GM) …

in other words, R is proportional to T2/3 ……

that is all you need to know!
Pseudopro said:
If the book's answer 3.1x10^6 is correct, there is something wrong with my method. Please tell me if this (use of g=GM/R2) is incorrect. Also could you verify that my use of R+h is correct? Thank you very much for helping me :smile:

I get the same R+h as you do.

I think you'll find the question has a misprint, and it should be 240 minutes, not 140. :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
in other words, R is proportional to T2/3 ……

that is all you need to know!

Oh! that's how you do it! I do have a knack of making simple questions complicated but still reaching the solution. Thank you very much!
 
It's also possible they did R to T3/2, just realized
 
You can dispense with G and M altogether if you wait a step or two before plugging in values.

Suppose GM = µ. Then g = µ/R2, or rearranged, µ = gR2.

You're given one set of values for g and R, so for another radius r,

gr = µ/r2 = gR2/r2

That's the inverse square law at work!
 

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