Calculating Height of a Twice-Daily Orbit Above Earth's Surface

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The problem involves calculating the height of a satellite orbiting the Earth twice daily. The original poster notes that certain parameters, such as the mass of the satellite and the centripetal force, are not provided, which raises concerns about the sufficiency of the information given.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between gravitational force and centripetal force, questioning how to derive the necessary expressions without knowing all variables. The original poster expresses confusion over how to proceed with the calculations given the limited information.

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Some participants have offered guidance on how to relate gravitational force to centripetal force, suggesting that the original poster should explore these relationships further. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations and approaches to the problem, with no explicit consensus reached.

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Participants note that the gravitational acceleration value of 9.8 m/s² is only applicable at the Earth's surface, which complicates the calculations for the satellite's orbit. The original poster also mentions feeling that the problem may be unsolvable due to the lack of specific mass values.

  • #31
somekid99 said:
Wait wait, I'm a bit confused.
So M = gR2/G
R = squareroot(MG/g)

sqrt(MG/g) = cbrt(GMT2/4pi2)
You are confusing two radii. On the left is R, the radius of the Earth; on the right is r, the orbital radius of your satellite.
Use R = squareroot(MG/g) to get rid of the MG factor in your expression for r.
 
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  • #32
haruspex said:
You are confusing two radii. On the left is R, the radius of the Earth; on the right is r, the orbital radius of your satellite.
Use R = squareroot(MG/g) to get rid of the MG factor in your expression for r.

So if R is the radius of Earth and r is the radius of the the satellite's orbit then to find the height of the satellite:
Height = cbrt(GMT2/4pi2) - sqrt(MG/g)

Or what do you mean by get rid of the MG factor?
So I substitue MG with R?
r = cbrt((sqrt(MG/g))T2/4pi2)?
 
  • #33
somekid99 said:
So if R is the radius of Earth and r is the radius of the the satellite's orbit then to find the height of the satellite:
Height = cbrt(GMT2/4pi2) - sqrt(MG/g)
You were supposed to replace GM with gR^2, not the other way around. All that happened now was that you complicated the expression. The point was to get rid of constants you did not know.
 
  • #34
Orodruin said:
You were supposed to replace GM with gR^2, not the other way around. All that happened now was that you complicated the expression. The point was to get rid of constants you did not know.
ohhh, I thought that was to prove what the radius of the Earth was, that's why I got confused.

r = cbrt(gR2T2/4pi2)
r = cbrt(9.8*63710002432002/4pi2)
r = 26591919.1 m

Then I subtract r with Earth's radius
26591919.1 m - 6371000 m = 20220919.1 m

and that's the height.
 
  • #35
Apart from the fact that you again have way too many significant digits. You really do not have more than two at best. I suggest writing the answer in units of Mm (megameter) or, even in units of the Earth's radius. Giving nine significant digits you are essentially saying you know all the input variables to a precision that would be the same as knowing your height with a precision of the size of an atom. This is completely unreasonable.
 
  • #36
Orodruin said:
Apart from the fact that you again have way too many significant digits. You really do not have more than two at best. I suggest writing the answer in units of Mm (megameter) or, even in units of the Earth's radius. Giving nine significant digits you are essentially saying you know all the input variables to a precision that would be the same as knowing your height with a precision of the size of an atom. This is completely unreasonable.
I used meters to try to keep the units the same.
So if my smallest significant figures is 9.8, with 2 significant digits, then the final answer would be 2.6E7 m?
 
  • #37
somekid99 said:
I used meters to try to keep the units the same.
I suggest you get comfortablr with prefixes. That is what they are for.

You also forgot to remove the Earth radius now.
 
  • #38
Orodruin said:
I suggest you get comfortablr with prefixes. That is what they are for.

You also forgot to remove the Earth radius now.

I have subtracted the radius with Earth's radius in the previous post.

Isn't mega meter the same thing as kilometer? I don't understand the difference? So your'e putting it in kilometers but you write it as mega meters?
 
  • #39
somekid99 said:
Isn't mega meter the same thing as kilometer?
No, mega and kilo are different prefixes. Why would they be the same? While kilo denotes ##10^3##, mega denotes ##10^6##.
 

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