How Do You Calculate the Work Done to Reach Maximum Height on a Planet?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done to reach a maximum height when launching a rocket from a planet with specified physical characteristics, including radius, mass, and surface gravity. The problem involves concepts of kinetic energy, potential energy, and the relationship between work and gravitational forces, particularly as gravity changes with height.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationships between kinetic energy, potential energy, and work. Questions arise regarding how these concepts interrelate and how gravitational potential energy varies with height. There is also a focus on the implications of constant acceleration and the conditions under which the rocket would stop accelerating.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning the assumptions made in the problem statement and clarifying the relationships between the physical concepts involved. Some guidance has been provided regarding the formulas for gravitational potential energy, but no consensus or resolution has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of considering how gravity changes with height and the implications of the problem's phrasing regarding constant acceleration. There is also mention of potential confusion stemming from the original problem statement.

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Homework Statement



A rocket is launched at a planet of 600km radius, 5.29e22 kg mass, and 9.8068 m/s^2 surface gravity such that it reaches a maximum height 'h' with work 'x'. What is the value of 'x'? Ignore air resistance, and gravity is dependent on height.

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The Attempt at a Solution



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Kinetic energy.
Potential energy.
Work.
 
voko said:
Kinetic energy.
Potential energy.
Work.

Could you clarify?
 
Do you know how all these are interrelated? Could you apply that relation to your problem?
 
000 said:

Homework Statement



A rocket is launched at a planet of 600km radius, 5.29e22 kg mass, and 9.8068 m/s^2 surface gravity such that it reaches a maximum height 'h' if it undergoes a constant acceleration of 'x' m/s^2. Ignore air resistance, and gravity is dependent on height.

Homework Equations



Unsure of where to start.

The Attempt at a Solution



None.

Ask yourself, "at what height will it stop accelerating?" The question statement seems to indicate "never". If it always accelerates, what's the maximum height?
 
gneill said:
Ask yourself, "at what height will it stop accelerating?" The question statement seems to indicate "never". If it always accelerates, what's the maximum height?

Sorry, there was a mistake in the question. What I meant to say was how much work must be done in order achieve height 'h'.
 
000 said:
Sorry, there was a mistake in the question. What I meant to say was how much work must be done in order achieve height 'h'.

That's quite a departure from the original statement of the problem :rolleyes:

What do you know about the relationship between work and potential energy?

How does gravitational potential energy relate to the position of the rocket?
 
gneill said:
That's quite a departure from the original statement of the problem :rolleyes:

What do you know about the relationship between work and potential energy?

How does gravitational potential energy relate to the position of the rocket?

The gravitational potential energy is dependent on the square of the height, correct?
 
000 said:
The gravitational potential energy is dependent on the square of the height, correct?

Nope. There are two important relationships for gravitational potential energy that you should be familiar with. The first is for the potential when the field is assumed to be uniform and constant, such as in the region close to the surface of the Earth (in reality it is thus just a very good approximation). The second is the actual Newton's Law version which does not make an approximation.

1) ##PE = mgh~~~~~~~~## For close to the Earth's surface

2) ##PE = \frac{G M}{r}~~~~~~~~## In general for point masses (or ones that behave so)

The second form must used when the change in radial distance is significant (i.e. gravity depends upon height).
 
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gneill said:
2) ##PE = \frac{G M}{r}~~~~~~~~##

This must be ##PE = -\frac{G M m}{r}##
 
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voko said:
This must be ##PE = -\frac{G M m}{r}##

Indeed :smile:
 

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