How Do You Calculate When and Where a Car Catches Up to a Truck?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the time and distance at which a car catches up to a truck, given specific initial conditions such as the truck's constant speed and the car's acceleration. The participants explore various approaches to solve this problem, including graphical methods and algebraic equations.

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  • One participant describes the scenario where a truck passes a stationary car and the car accelerates after a delay, proposing to calculate when the car catches the truck.
  • Another participant suggests converting the truck's speed from kilometers per hour to meters per second for consistency in calculations.
  • Several participants discuss using graphical representations to model the distances traveled by both the truck and the car, indicating the need for a clear understanding of the shapes involved in the distance calculations.
  • There are multiple references to the equations of motion, including the car's distance during acceleration and its subsequent constant speed phase.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the formulation of the equations needed to solve for the time when the car catches up to the truck, particularly in establishing the correct quadratic equation.
  • Discussions include the need to equate the distances traveled by both vehicles and the importance of correctly calculating the truck's distance based on its constant speed.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to formulating the equations needed to solve the problem. There are competing views on how to set up the equations and what the correct expressions for distance should be.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings in the application of kinematic equations and the need for clarity in the definitions of variables used in the calculations. Some assumptions about the initial conditions and the transition from acceleration to constant speed are not fully resolved.

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A car is stopped at a traffic light in the moment in which a truck which has a constant speed of 50 Km/h
passes through a trafic light light eats and passes the car 10.s later the traffic light changes and the car accelerates to 2 m/s2 for 15 sec then which, it continuous your travel at constant speed, when and where the car reach the truck?
answer. 22, 59s after the auto boot and 452, 65 m below the traffic light.
 
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The first thing you want to do is convert the trucks constant speed to meters per second so that its units will be consistent with everything else. Something moving at $v$ kph can be converted to m/s as follows:

$$v\frac{\text{km}}{\text{hr}}\cdot\frac{1000\text{ m}}{1\text{ km}}\cdot\frac{1\text{ hr}}{3600\text{ s}}=\frac{5}{18}v$$

Now, to work the rest of the problem, I would use a graphical approach. The distance the truck moves can be represented by a rectangle whose base is the length of time it is moving (10 seconds more than the car) and whose height is the truck's speed.

The distance the car moves will consist of two shapes...a triangle for the time in which is is accelerating (base is 15) and whose height is the speed it is moving after 15 seconds, and then there is a rectangle for the time during which the car moves with constant speed. The sum of the two bases of the shapes associated with the car must be $t$. Can you proceed?

edit: I have moved this topic here as it is algebra based physics. :D
 
MarkFL said:
The first thing you want to do is convert the trucks constant speed to meters per second so that its units will be consistent with everything else. Something moving at $v$ kph can be converted to m/s as follows:

$$v\frac{\text{km}}{\text{hr}}\cdot\frac{1000\text{ m}}{1\text{ km}}\cdot\frac{1\text{ hr}}{3600\text{ s}}=\frac{5}{18}v$$

Now, to work the rest of the problem, I would use a graphical approach. The distance the truck moves can be represented by a rectangle whose base is the length of time it is moving (10 seconds more than the car) and whose height is the truck's speed.

The distance the car moves will consist of two shapes...a triangle for the time in which is is accelerating (base is 15) and whose height is the speed it is moving after 15 seconds, and then there is a rectangle for the time during which the car moves with constant speed. The sum of the two bases of the shapes associated with the car must be $t$. Can you proceed?

No could you please tell me the equations
 
I choose to start the clock when the car begins moving, and the call the point in time where the care catches truck $t$, which is measured in seconds. So, the car will take $t$ seconds to catch the truck. How long will the truck have then been in motion since it passed the stationary car?
 
MarkFL said:
I choose to start the clock when the car begins moving, and the call the point in time where the care catches truck $t$, which is measured in seconds. So, the car will take $t$ seconds to catch the truck. How long will the truck have then been in motion since it passed the stationary car?

Ok I have truck time 10 + Tauto
Then Car distance is 1/2 at2 = 13,88(10 + Tauto)
but i Need to calculate more things To get the answer
this is the style I need
 
Yes, the distance the car moves in meters during acceleration is:

$$d_{C_1}=\frac{1}{2}(2)t^2=t^2$$

It accelerates for 15 seconds, hence:

$$d_{C_1}=15^2=225$$

Now, what is the speed of the car once it stops accelerating? Recall that for constant acceleration and an initial speed of zero, we have:

$$v=at$$

So what is the car's speed after 15 seconds of accelerating at 2 m/s²?

And then use distance equals speed times time to compute how far the car moves at this constant speed, and keep in mind that the sum of the time spent accelerating (15 seconds) and the time spent at constant velocity must be $t$ seconds. So, what is the time spent at constant velocity?
 
must I equal what??
with this point of view You get 15 that is nopt the answer
the quadratic equation is t^2 +138,88+13,88 t= 0?
 
leprofece said:
must I equal what??
with this point of view You get 15 that is nopt the answer
the quadratic equation is t^2 +138,88+13,88 t= 0?

I don't know how you are arriving at that quadratic. After 15 seconds of acceleration, the car is moving at 30 m/s:

$$v=at=2(15) = 30$$

Now, since it has already moved for 15 seconds, it will move for $t-15$ seconds at this speed, so its total distance moved is:

$$d_{C}=225+30(t-15)=30t-225$$

Now, you want to compute the distance moved by the truck during its $t+10$ seconds of movement, and then equate the two distances and solve for $t$. What is the speed of the truck in meters per second? Once you have this, then multiply it times the duration of time I gave above to get the distance moved by the truck. What do you find?
 
MarkFL said:
I don't know how you are arriving at that quadratic. After 15 seconds of acceleration, the car is moving at 30 m/s:

$$v=at=2(15) = 30$$

Now, since it has already moved for 15 seconds, it will move for $t-15$ seconds at this speed, so its total distance moved is:

$$d_{C}=225+30(t-15)=30t-225$$

Now, you want to compute the distance moved by the truck during its $t+10$ seconds of movement, and then equate the two distances and solve for $t$. What is the speed of the truck in meters per second? Once you have this, then multiply it times the duration of time I gave above to get the distance moved by the truck. What do you find?

What two?? I see only one
 
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leprofece said:
What two?? I see only one

You should get an expression for the distance moved by the truck and an expression for the distance moved by the car, both of which involve $t$. Since these distances must be equal, we can equate them and solve for $t$.
 
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BUT which are these two equations joined in one ?
 
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leprofece said:
BUT which are these two equations joined in one ?

I gave the the expression for the car's distance. You need to find the expression for the truck's distance, and since the truck's speed is constant, it is just the product of the speed and the duration of time it is moving (which I gave). Be sure to convert the truck's speed to meters per second...I showed you how to do this.

You should now be able to put the pieces together...what do you find for the truck's distance as a function of time $t$?
 

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