How Do You Calculate Work Done by a Non-Constant Drag Force?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done by a non-constant drag force, specifically in the context of a practical experiment involving a table tennis ball dropped from a height. Participants explore methods to determine the work done by drag force, considering the challenges posed by the variable nature of drag force.

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  • One participant questions how to calculate work done by a drag force that is not constant, suggesting the possibility of summing small amounts of work assuming the drag force is constant over tiny paths.
  • Another participant suggests using calculus to determine the work done, emphasizing the need for a velocity function v(x) to perform the calculation accurately.
  • A participant describes their practical setup involving a table tennis ball, noting that they have analyzed the motion frame by frame to determine drag force and work done, while seeking alternative methods that do not require such detailed analysis.
  • One response proposes using conservation of energy, indicating that if the final kinetic energy before the bounce does not equal the initial potential energy, the difference can be attributed to air resistance.
  • Another participant reinforces the work-energy theorem, suggesting that knowing the change in energy may suffice without needing to calculate the force directly, provided other energy losses are negligible.

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Participants express various approaches to the problem, with no consensus on a single method. Some advocate for using energy conservation principles, while others emphasize the need for detailed analysis of forces at play.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the problem due to the non-constant nature of the drag force and the potential influence of other energy losses during the experiment, which may complicate the calculations.

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This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners involved in experimental physics, particularly those interested in dynamics and the effects of drag forces on moving objects.

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Hello,

For a practical I have to know the work done by drag force, but drag force which is bv2 is not constant over the path, how can this be done, or should I just add every tiny bit of work, supposing Fd is constant over that tiny path. Thanks for the help!
 
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Welcome to PF;
What, exactly, does the practical involve?

In general - you would use calculus to work out the work done where the force is not a constant.
You would need v(x) to do that.

In a practical you may be able to calculate the total work for the path from a few parameters depending on the setup.
 
Well, we dropped a table tennis ball from a certain height and determined the height before bouncing on the ground and the maximum height of the first bounce. We know the constant b, and calculated v by analyzing every frame of the film. Now we can determine the drag force of course also for every frame, and thereby also the work done, but is there another way to determine the work done by the drag force, without analyzing per frame, that is actually the question.
 
You can use conservation of energy. If the final KE (before bounce) is not equal to the initial PE, then the energy lost is due to air resistance. After the bounce, the energy lost would be due to both air resistance and energy losses during the bounce (e.g. to sound and heat by striking the floor).
 
What he says - work-energy theorem. You don't need the force because you know the change in energy.
Decide if energy taken by stuff other than drag is negligible (i.e. does the frame-by-frame indicate that the speed right after a bounce is very close to the speed just before the bounce?).
 

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