How Do You Convert GeV/c to m/s for Particle Velocities?

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The discussion revolves around converting particle momentum expressed in GeV/c to velocity in m/s. Participants explore the relationships between energy, momentum, and velocity, particularly in the context of relativistic physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant attempts to calculate velocity by dividing momentum (in GeV/c) by the mass of the particle, leading to unexpected results.
  • Another participant suggests using the energy-momentum relation \( E^2=(mc^2)^2+(pc)^2 \) to find the total energy and subsequently the velocity.
  • A participant expresses confusion over obtaining a velocity greater than the speed of light when using a specific mass and momentum value.
  • There is a repeated question regarding the validity of converting momentum directly using the conversion factor \( 1 \text{ GeV/c} = 5.36 \times 10^{-19} \text{ kg-m/s} \) and dividing by the particle's mass.
  • A later reply clarifies that momentum is not simply mass times velocity in relativistic contexts, introducing the correct relativistic momentum equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct method for converting momentum to velocity, with multiple approaches and interpretations presented. Confusion persists regarding the application of relativistic equations.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the assumptions behind their calculations, particularly in relation to the definitions of mass and the applicability of classical versus relativistic momentum equations.

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As the title said :)

I'm trying to find the velocity of a particle with a momentum of between 23 and 150 GeV/c. I found that 1 GeV/c = 5.36 x 10^-19 kg-m/s, and tried to divide by the mass of the particle - this just game me values between 7m/s and some crazy numbers.

What am I doing wrong :(
 
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One way is to use the relation
E^2=\left(mc^2 \right)^2+\left(pc \right)^2
where pc is 23 to 150 GeV (momentum in energy units), and mc^2 is the particle's rest mass (proton is 0.938 GeV). Then use \beta =pc/E to get \beta, and v=\beta c.
 
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Thank you for your help Bob S - I still can't manage to get the answer though.

When I set m to 5.5208x10^27kg, and p to 25GeV/c I end up getting a value that is faster than c when I solve for v. Can anyone help with this?
 
If 1 GeV/c = 5.36 x 10-19 kg-m/s though, why can't I do 25(5.36x10^-19)/particle's mass?
 
Using the relation
E^2=\left(mc^2 \right)^2+\left(pc \right)^2
where pc= 50 GeV and mc^2= 0.938 GeV, E = 50.008798 GeV.
So β= 50/ 50.008798= 0.99982 and βc = 2.9974 x 1010 cm/sec
 
iamBevan said:
If 1 GeV/c = 5.36 x 10-19 kg-m/s though, why can't I do 25(5.36x10^-19)/particle's mass?

Because p ≠ mv, if you're using the particle's "rest mass" in kg. The correct equation is

$$p = \frac{mv}{\sqrt{1 - v^2/c^2}}$$
 

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