How Do You Convert Polar Coordinate Equations to Cartesian Form?

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The discussion revolves around converting polar coordinate equations to Cartesian form, specifically focusing on the relationship between the angle φ, the radius vector, and the tangent at a point on a curve. The original poster is exploring this conversion while studying polar curves independently.

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  • Participants discuss expressing tan(θ) in Cartesian coordinates and explore the relationship between polar and Cartesian forms. The original poster attempts to differentiate Cartesian equations with respect to θ and questions how to effectively convert the polar expression.

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Some participants have provided guidance on staying within Cartesian coordinates and suggested using dot and cross products to express the angle φ. The original poster has made progress in their understanding but seeks confirmation on their approach.

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There is a mention of the original poster studying polar curves independently, indicating a potential lack of formal instruction. The discussion also reflects on the complexity of mixing polar and Cartesian coordinates in the problem-solving process.

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Homework Statement


For a curve in Cartesian form, show that
\tan \phi = \frac{xy'-y}{x+yy'}


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According to the book notation, ##\phi## is the angle between the radius vector and tangent at any point of the curve. I know that ##\tan \phi=rd\theta/dr## but how am I supposed to convert this to Cartesian form. I am currently studying polar curves by myself. I thought I can do simple stuff before studies begin so any help is appreciated. Thanks! :)
 
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Stay with Cartesian coordinates and express tan(theta) with them.

ehild
 
ehild said:
Stay with Cartesian coordinates and express tan(theta) with them.

And how should I do that? :confused:

I tried it again and I get the answer now. In Cartesian coordinates, ##x=r\cos \theta##(i) and ##y=r\sin \theta##(ii).
Differentiating (i) w.r.t ##\theta##
\frac{dx}{d\theta}=\cos \theta \frac{dr}{d\theta}-r\sin\theta
\frac{dx}{d\theta}=\frac{x}{r}\frac{dr}{d\theta}-y
Let ##rd\theta/dr=k##
\Rightarrow \frac{dx}{d\theta}=\frac{x}{k}-y
Similarly,
\frac{dy}{d\theta}=\frac{y}{k}+x
Dividing the above two equations and solving for ##k##,
k=\frac{xy'-y}{x+yy'}
And since ##k=\tan \phi##, hence proved.

Looks good?
 
Why to mix polar coordinates in? Φ is the angle between the radius vector r=xi+yj and the tangent vector 1i+y'j. Express cosΦ with their dot product and sinΦ with the cross product.

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ehild said:
Why to mix polar coordinates in? Φ is the angle between the radius vector r=xi+yj and the tangent vector 1i+y'j. Express cosΦ with their dot product and sinΦ with the cross product.

Thanks ehild! Your method gives the answer in a few steps. It is really a nice way to solve the problem contrary to mine which took more time. :smile:
 

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