How Do You Determine If Compounds Contain Ions and Their Charges?

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The discussion revolves around identifying whether specific compounds contain ions and determining the formal charges on those ions. The compounds in question include NaCl, N2, MgO, AlCl3, and CO2. Participants are exploring concepts related to ionic compounds, the octet rule, and formal charge calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant identifies NaCl as ionic but expresses confusion about determining formal charges.
  • Another participant suggests using the octet rule as a hint for understanding ionic bonding.
  • There is a discussion about the electron configurations of sodium (Na) and chlorine (Cl) and their roles in fulfilling the octet rule.
  • One participant questions whether N2 can be considered a compound and expresses confusion about its charge, suggesting it has a formal charge of 6- based on their interpretation.
  • Participants discuss the definition of a compound, with one suggesting it must consist of more than one element's atoms.
  • There is a clarification that while N2 is not a compound, it can still be treated as such for the purposes of this question.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that NaCl is ionic and that the octet rule is relevant, but there is disagreement about the classification of N2 and whether it contains ions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the formal charges and the nature of N2.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the definitions and concepts involved, such as the nature of compounds and the application of the octet rule. There are also unresolved questions about how to calculate formal charges.

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Students studying chemistry, particularly those focusing on ionic compounds and formal charge calculations, may find this discussion relevant.

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Hey,

So I've got a homework question which is gradually transforming by brain into mashed potato!

Here it is..

Identify which of the following compounds contains ions and state the formal charges on the ions: NaCl, N2, MgO, AlCl3, and CO2.

Now, I'm not asking for someone to come in and give me the answer to all of them, I'm just after how I can find the answers, I just don't understand after a long time Googling..

I've had a crack and found that NaCl is ionic, but I just don't understand how to figure out the formal charge..

I'm at a loss, any help will be great - thank you!
 
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Hint: octet rule-

By the way, please do not remove the homework template, but use it to set up your question.
 
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DrClaude said:
Hint: octet rule-

By the way, please do not remove the homework template, but use it to set up your question.

I've read about the octet rule but just can't join the two together, FML.

Okay I won't in future, I'm very new here.
 
Take NaCl as an example. What do you need to do to Na and Cl so that both follow the octet rule?
 
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Na needs to gain an electron (I think) and Cl needs to lose an electron to reach the nearest full shell
 
So would I be right in thinking...

If N2 is 2 nitrogen atoms, and both have a charge of 3- does that give it a formal charge of 6-?

One thing that's confusing me.. The question says "the following compounds" yet N2 is not a compound... hmm
 
givemeknowledge said:
Na needs to gain an electron (I think) and Cl needs to lose an electron to reach the nearest full shell
What is the electron configuration of Na and Cl?

givemeknowledge said:
If N2 is 2 nitrogen atoms, and both have a charge of 3- does that give it a formal charge of 6-?
Don't you have to determine if ir contains ions first?

givemeknowledge said:
One thing that's confusing me.. The question says "the following compounds" yet N2 is not a compound... hmm
What do you call a compound?
 
DrClaude said:
What is the electron configuration of Na and Cl?

Na - 1s^2 2s^2 2p^6 3s^1

Cl - 1s^2 2s^2 2p^6 3s^2 3p^5


Don't you have to determine if ir contains ions first?

Yeah I do!

What do you call a compound?

Something made up of more than one element's atoms?
 
So, for Na and Cl, what is the simplest way to fulfill the octet rule?

Does N2 contain ions? Indeed, it is not strictly speaking a compound, but you can treat it as such for this question (actually, this gives you a hint as to whether it contains ions or not).
 
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While N2 is technically not a compound, it is still a molecule - so it can either be ionic, or not.
 

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